Ft. Lewis encounter with MIB today!

Sprig

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Hello all,

Went ahead and did a little driving to confirm/rebuke the MIB Ft.Lewis thread.

The MIB on Ft.Lewis thread is 100% total BS and not correct in any initial detail.

I mentioned that I live less then 15 minutes from the turnoff listed in the post. I spent a total of 1 hour driving around and back to the house. I took 4 kids with me and they can verify the trip.

I felt since the post mentioned "new" construction and roads it was worth while to check. And my earlier posts corrected some obvious misinformation.

I want to make sure that certain "facts" of the first post are consindered 100% false. To do this I will quote the orginial followed by the "facts".

"Turn right at the main Nisqually tribal area with the shops." Well, there are NO shops! The Nisqually Tribal center is on Nisqually Drive off yelm highway, sharing the same block as the Nisqually Jail, but NO and I mean ZERO shops. And, BTW, Nisqually Drive is a dead end just about 75yards from the jail. No, I didn't bring a tape measure or pace it off. Currently there is a green chevy pickup parked at the trees at the end of the road though.

"Take the center fork of the road when it splits." Well, when I read this it means that there are 3 splits. NO WHERE is there 3 seperate splits. HOWEVER! if you have some older software maps that you can bring up on the computer like I have, you might think this is so.

"About two miles after the road turns to gravel, you will find the first of the tank crossing signs." Oh really now??? In fact, the ONLY road near the Nisqually Tribal Center that doesnt dead end only goes 1.3 miles before coming to another black top road. Interestingly, this black top road is a *right turn just after the tank crossing signs*.

"At this point you will be heading back NE toward the back side of rainier." Well, like I said, Mt. Rainer is East South East from this location (if I have my boy scout directions correct).

What I found really interesting is that 1.3 of DIRT and 1.3 of paved road gives aprox 2.6 total miles of road, it loops around to end up being a right turn after the tank crossing signs if you come from Yelm. And, that if you make a left from the dirt road, you come up to a bridge that has a mil spec sign.

I know that sounds confusing. The dirt road dead ends into the paved road and the two make a side loop off of Yelm Highway (if you follow the south side of the paved road).

Why would someone fabricate such junk? With so many people able to actually go out and check you would think persons would be a bit more carefull of the junk they post. This does nothing to help the cause. I do know for a fact I have seen two things the government military did not intend for me to see. But, I don't tell anyone that doesn't trust what I say to be true because I can't prove it. All I have as proof is my word, which can only be known to be true by those that have been with me in other unbelievable situations.

Anyways, consider this issue proven false. Unless someone wants to give a whole hell of a lot better directions. I have left some specifics of the area out so I can more easily spot further attempts of BS.

Hey, I did spot some good fishing and swimmin holes along the river though!!! The trip was worth it despite the vapor trail I was tryin to follow.

One of the more frustrating issues of this fantasy tale is that the errors are so creative. I didn't bring a compass, but if I go over the mil spec bridge, I might actually be going NE. But, then, I am not sure the paved road doesn't wrap around the bridge to the NE or NW. However, this being the case, the directions should have stated to start out on this road just after the tank crossing signs, and should NOT have mentioned that the driver would be heading towards Mt. Rainer.

I will bump this to the top for the next few days to make sure that the MIB post is known to be false. I never really did believe in those black helicopters and feel better knowing I proved these false.

Sprig
 
Sprig -
Thanks for your efforts. I too, derive a certain pleasure from debunking the various "I read it on the internet so it must be true" items that come my way.

[conspiracy mode]
However, your efforts don't really prove anything. Once the original post appeared, it was obvious that changes had to be made. In fact, once Echelon picked up the keystrokes on the the computer that was used to post this story, the wheels were set in motion - that's right, even before it was actually posted. Naturally, the simplest, and most effective things to do were to change the shops and a couple of the roads. Then, sucker someone like you into coming out and claiming they're different and voila! - instant urban legend! Indeed, the fact that you were unable to find any proof of this proves there's something to it...
[/conspiracy mode] :D

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Thanks for the report.

Just because this was bunk doesn't mean you shouldn't believe the Fed Govt isn't up to no-good shennanigans. Just verify and have some skepticism.

For what its worth, I could give you the lat and long of a Navy helicopter that went down in '89. You wouldn't believe it and I can't prove it, and it sure as hell never made the news, but I was there and I know what I know.
 
Now if you could just explain that missing 45 minutes, and where those weird radiation scars came from. ;)

Seriously though, I'm glad you debunked this. For those of you have been on this board since the beginning, do you remember some of the hard core conspiracy theorists that used to be here? Now those where some entertaining posts. (Made all of us look like nuts, but entertaining).

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Wow! I finaly have a post with replies!

I wanted to make sure that I cleared up two things. The first is that what I wrote was only intended to show that most of the directions were 100% BS. While I am certain that Ft. Lewis has fenced off areas, these directions don't lead to any. The second, is that I intentionaly left out information. Any clarification of the orginal story is going to have to be a lot more clear and accurate with details NOT supplied by me.

Sorry, I've got to make this post short. Theres a black Hmmv oustide waiting with a few men clad in black to pick me up after I grab my own black hat off the hat rack. Just trust me, theres nothin there!

Sprig
 
!!!*UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE*!!!

There IS a dam along the Nisqually river within a mile of bridge with signs listing military specs for crossing.

Now, this isn't a dam across the Nisqually though. This dam traps a source a few hundered feet higher in elevation and is used to feed a hydroelectric plant that dumps the turbines used water into Nisqually. So, the dam is NOT built across the Nisqually, but it is ON the south side of the river.

Cactus, care to tell me what plant this is and what source it is fed by?

Sprig
 
Sprig,

I am not familiar with this dam or what creek it would be on. How large of a dam is it? How large of a creek? Does it have a large reservour behind it?

There is a Thompson Creek that runs SE (upstream) just outside the Fort boundaries. Don't know if it has a dam or not! It starts up near the Yelm Golf Course. Maybe the MiB were just Gary Player wannabes!!!!

There are most likely many creeks with dams of some sort or another on them. If this is the dam in question, then the story may have some validity.
 
Hello Cactus,
Thanks for the knowledgable response.

You asked, "I am not familiar with this dam or what creek it would be on. How large of a dam is it? How large of a creek? Does it have a large reservour behind it?"

I hate to say all I can really say is, "I dont know, I dont know, I dont know."

I am also not familar with this dam, or the source it is on.

I can kinda say how large it is. There is enough water source that the engineers thought it could supply at least two turbines fed by approx 10' (green in color) diam pipes. These pipes lead to the power house aprox 500ft below the source.

Even when I think of driving the Yelm Highway, I can not imagine a 2nd source that high above Nisqually so close to the reservation. Nor do I ever recall driving over one. You certainly can't imagine that elevation difference being true by driving past. I can give more details via email if interested.

I called it a "dam" as the orginial poster did because the work done for the hydro electric is obviously man made. I can't imagine another word anyone would use for the source. Though, the word "dam" might not be accurate and not show up on state maps. This does NOT resrict the flow of the Nisqually and create a lake type area above it, it is a man made earthen structure that allows water to flow into turbines that it them dumps into the Nisqually.

Being 500ft in elevation BELOW the top of the dam, I have no friggen clue what is up top. I don't know the source. I have no idea how large. I have no idea at all.

Is it "Thompson Creek"? that runs SE upstream? Wouldn't that cross Yelm Highway on the way to Yelm? I honestly can't think of a natural source. However, in the past I have seen VERY long lines of WOODEN pipe have been run to provide power. Maybe the source is the Nisqually pipped 10 miles to provide the energy drop for two hydro electric generators???

I do NOT claim to be very accurate as to my estimations of distance or directions. HOWEVER, I can take someone right to the spot if they can make better estimations. The original post is way off the mark on directions and I can assure that I have the information to be a whole hell of lot closer. Even though I am lost, they were a whole hell of bunch more lost.

I don't want to get into any trouble snoopin around where I shouldn't be. If I can do it and it seem to be on county property I will give more info. I was in the USAF, and I know I really really really don't want to be where I shouln't. I may very well not provide any further details.

I can say that the path and width of the Nisqually did change to make it seem possible it might be crossable by foot without getting swept away. I would certainly wait another couple of weeks of summer before I tried it anywhere near the area.

Sprig
 
Sprig/Cactus,
I'm still active duty @ Lewis. I've been here since '84 when our unit re-activated. If you want to snoop and poop to debunk the BS, email me. I'm in Steilacoom.
Cheers,
Mike

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