FS92 shooting low and left

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Prof Young

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So I've had my Beretta a while now and no matter what I run through it at ten yards it's low and to the left by six to eight inches. Anyone had experience with putting an adjustable sight on their Beretta?
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I think that's usually a reliable sign of flinching, not the inherent accuracy of the gun, but maybe shoot it from a rest and see?
 
Sounds like you more than the gun. I agree with bench shooting and or having another person shoot it if you haven't already.
 
6-8" at 10 yds would mean the front sight would be comically large and the rear sight out of the dovetail. There may be some mechanical problem in the lockup but to be honest this is often user induced.
 
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I did have a 92 that shot way left and it had an out of spec locking block. Clear the pistol to be sure it is empty and then return the barrel to battery. At the front of the slide the barrel should at the bottom of the barrel channel and centered. If it is off to the left, that could be part of the problem. It is worth looking at.
 
If there's an experienced shooter around whom you know shoots well, ask him (or her) to try the gun. If it shoots to point of aim, it's you.

If you can't find that shooters, try shooting from a rest -- it can be as simple as a large bag of rice on a table. Resting your hands (holding the gun in your normal shooting grip) on the bag and slowly squeeze off your shots. Do NOT rush.

Doing that will limit help you remove most of the problems due to bad technique.

Here's a chart that explains some of the causes for problems. It looks as though you might be jerking the trigger or squeezing all of the fingers in your hand as you pull the trigger. (Note: if left-handed, everything is mirrored/flipped as though the chart were placed face down, but still readable.)

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If you're still shooting low and left from the rest, it might be the gun. As noted above, LOW AND LEFT is a pretty common problem for some shooters with a new gun; improving technique will generally improve the results.
 
In addition to what everybody else has said, what stance are you using?

This might sound crazy but hear me out, as this is what I noticed I was doing wrong with constant groupings left of POA.

For the better part of the last 24 years I was a Weaver Stance shooter, and had no problem hitting POA/POI. Recently I have switched to shooting more of a combo Weaver/Isosceles, where my lower body is more Weaver (boxer feet position, upper is Isosceles with my torso squared to the target but, but, with my support arm relaxed (big no-no). Through following the chart above in the earlier post (I've used it for years), constant shooting with logging results, and lots of dry firing it dawned on me that my non-shooting arm was not firmly pushed out, allowing the muzzle to slightly drift left, even though I thought I was lined up perfectly.

As soon as I started firmly pushing out my support arm and "locking in" everything started hitting where it was supposed to.

Gotta remind myself, ATTENTION TO DETAIL!
 
Hand loads?

Unsure of what measures you have tried to see if indeed this is simply a need for familiarizing yourself with the trigger or where you are in your growth as a shooter. Aside from shooting rested, having someone else else who shoots we'll give it a try, you can also see if switching hands produces a mirror pattern - low and right when shooting left handed. You can also try to dry fire (suggest with snap caps) and pay VERY close attention to look for front sight movement as the hammer falls. Be honest with the results :) if you get this down, remember keeping just as calm and focused on the front sight, trigger stroke, and consistent break during *live fire* is a lifelong work in progress. if the sight moves much focus on slowing WAY down near the part in the pull where the trigger breaks. Also adjust your grip and trigger finger placement to allow for a pull straight to the rear and minimal sight movement as the hammer falls. Often times this means your trigger pull will NOT be the "natural" path your trigger finger makes when you make a fist by merely closing your fingers. You may have to use more or less movement in different joints of your finger. You will want the point of contact with your trigger finger to be traveling in a straight path towards rear of gun at the place in the stroke where trigger breaks.

It takes trial and error at home when dry firing, and testing at the range of different finger placements.

Finally, if you are using hand loads, see if a different powder charge changes point of impact. I have a pistol that shot 2-3 inches left and low with a light charge of a certain powder and an increase to moderate charge walked the point of impact up to the bulls eye. Factory ammo should not have this problem to the degree you're experiencing, they're usually loaded to mid or standard/max pressure from my experience. Good luck
 
So I've had my Beretta a while now and no matter what I run through it at ten yards it's low and to the left by six to eight inches.
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If you are consistently getting groups smaller than 2" and they are that far low and left then you should adjust the sights. That's a lot of sight adjustment though.

If your groups are bigger than about 2", you need to shoot the gun from a rest, or have an experienced shooter work with the gun before you can make a determination about the sights.
 
Low-left is somewhat common with the M9's that I have seen in my years. A lot of it can be attributed to the shooters, but there were just too many examples to completely count out the pistol. You can drift the rear sight to adjust for the low. Some of the ones I shot with I had to center the white dot where I wanted the round to strike. Not my favorite.
 
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Low-left is somewhat common with the M9's that I have seen in my years. A lot of it can be attributed to the shooters, but there were just too many examples to completely count out the pistol. You can drift the rear sight to adjust for the low. Some of the ones I shot with I had to center the white dot where I wanted the round to strike. Not my favorite.
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That is the standard hold for SIG, HK, Beretta, etc.
 
..but there were just too many examples to completely count out the pistol...
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I agree with diggler. While as a firearms instructor for over 27 years, I agree that low-left is the most common error for a right-handed shooter-sometimes it is the gun. Here are two pics shot at 25 yards with a 92 Beretta. 15 shots were fired at the first target and not all even hit paper. The second target was also fired with the same Beretta 92 at 25 yards after a barrel and locking block replacement. YMMV

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