FS Cheap Preban Colt Delta ar15!!!!!

May not be as cheap as you think!

There is a reserve on the gun and I would bet a pretty chunk of change that it ain't anywhere near the starting bid...

Mikey
 
I just bought one after looking around for *quite* some time.

I'd say $1600 is good, $1500 is great, $1400 you're robbing him blind!
 
Dell, if you do some checking on closed auctions, you'll find that this is the third time the rifle's been up for auction. It sold once for $1699. That isn't to say that there's something wrong with it, since a lot of online buyers back out on the deals.

Looking at the photo, it appears there's no bayonet lug. True? I've been told my green label Delta is worth about $1800, but it has a lug. Just a little information for you.
 
i've bought and sold plenty on online auctions.
But an estimated 1600 for a Colt ar-15?
I don't care if it is preban, thats absurd.
Especially considering a new Colt sporter goes for about 850-900 dealer cost. then you can add on pin on muzzle brakes legally, such as the JP muzzle brake, for like an additional $60 or less.
Of course, if you absolutely NEED a bayonet lug so you can stab your targets also, by all means, pay the hundreds more.

Of course, if you want a post ban sporter, feel free to contact me, I'm pretty sure a friend of mine wants to unload his hardly used one for somewhere in the neighborhood of 8.
 
Well, the bayo lug is pretty pointless.

However, a flash hider is not!

A muzzle brake is not the same thing as a flash hider. A brake is useless on a tactical rifle.

A brake *substantially* increases both the FLASH and NOISE.

A flash hider supresses flash -- incredibly so.


Also, the ability to add a 16" upper and a collaspible stock is an invaluble feature -- like getting two rifles in one!

The fact that there is a finite number of the prebans left is what makes them so valuble. They can NEVER be made again.

Compare the $1600 price tag of the superior gas operated AR15 with that of the blow back operated $2500 HK93.

It's a steal.
 
Blue Label Colt

I have one in similar config. Colt Sporter Match HBAR. Seems going price last checked is ~$1200. With the "Delta" add-ons add another $50 for generic parts and $200 for genuine "prancing pony". Personally I wouldn't offer over $1300 and that's pushing it.
Buy/build a post ban A3 config and put the extra money into ammo and a nice scope, more accurate w/o the flash-hider anyway...e
 
Be advised that even if a receiver is pre-ban, ATF has ruled that adding prohibited features that weren't on the weapon in 1994 constitutes creating a prohibited assault weapon.
 
Colt can confirm

Call Colt and have them confirm the S# and send documentation. They might charge a nominal fee so have the seller provide that bit of insurance should the BATmen ask<G>...e
 
Buzz...thanks

I related this same info to a group on another forum, and got crap thrown all over me............
Folks THINK that if they have a pre ban reciever, they can just BUILD a pre ban and be legal....NOT.
The reciever must have come from the factory FULLY assembled before it's considered legal.
You cannot even take a pre ban completed rifle, and change to a collapsable stock, the rifle MUST stay in it's original shipping condition in order to be considered legal.
SO, Caveat Emptor!!!!!!!!!
 
Interesting. This may create a lot more debate.

I was under the impression that the main consideration was that the rifle be assembled by the magic date in '94. And, if it passed through that hole in the needle, then it was certainly acceptable to atttach a collapsible stock.

Regards from AZ
 
What what i have learned, any AR15 that was assembled and functioning pre September 13, 1994 is a grandfathered SAW regardless of feature count. It can increase its feature count at any time because it is already a grandfathered SAW.

Any AR15 assembled post that date must come under the feature count number or it is an Illegal SAW

A similar case is the TC Contender.
If it is registered as a pistol you can do what ever you like to it. (well maybe not everything)
If it is registered as a rifle or a shotgun then you can not simply build it as a pistol.

I passed up a Colt Washington State Police preban SAW AR15 at a gunshow last year for 1100 bucks.
The dealer had 5 of them.
 
From what I have read, dZ is right. However, I am not a lawyer....I only play one on the internet. ;)

If you ask 10 different ATF agents this you will get different answers from all of them. Mostly they quote the "You cannot change anything." line, but if you read the regs that is not true. I think they say that because 1) they don't know all the regs (with so many, how could they), or 2) they think you don't need to change anything. (Don't get me started on that one.)

Read the regs for yourself, they are pretty straight forward, even if they are unconstitutional.

Just my $.02.

David
 
I scanned the entire Federal Firearms Regulations for 2000 on "assault weapon" and didn't find anything that says anything about altering the configuration of a grandfathered assault weapon. I think the ATF agent that is telling you this stuff is flying by the seat of the pants, not the law.
 
(O17) What evidence is sufficient for Federal firearms licensees to be sure
that particular semiautomatic assault weapons are "grandfathered" weapons
which are not subject to the restrictions on possession and transfer?

The requirement that semiautomatic assault weapons be marked "RESTRICTED
LAW ENFORCEMENT/GOVERNMENT USE ONLY" was not effective until July 5, 1995.
Thus, semiautomatic assault weapons manufactured from September 13, 1994-July
4, 1995, may not be marked with the restrictive markings. Additionally,
sporting weapons may have been modified after September 13, 1994, so that they
are semiautomatic assault weapons, e.g., a pistol grip and magazine extension
are installed on a sporting shotgun. Licensees obtaining semiautomatic
assault weapons which do not have the restrictive marking should obtain from
the seller an invoice, bill of sale, or other documentation indicating that
the weapon in its present configuration was lawfully possessed on or before
September 13, 1994.
[27 CFR 178.92(a)(2)]

also:

SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS and
LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING
DEVICES under Title 18, UNITED STATES CODE, CHAPTER
44 as amended by Public Law 103-322 The Violent Crime Control
and Law Enforcement Act of 1994
(enacted September 13, 1994)

§ 921(a)(30) The term 'semiautomatic assault weapon'
means:

(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
firearms in any caliber, known as -

(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
Kalashnikovs (all models);
(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil
(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC70);
(iv) Colt AR-15;
(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
(vii) Steyr AUG
(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC DC-9, and TEC-22; and
(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;

(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at
least 2 of -

(i) a folding or telescopic stock;
(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
(iii) a bayonet mount;
(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor;
and
(v) a grenade launcher;

(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any semiautomatic
assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of the
enactment of this subsection.
 
Dell,
If it is just a Pre Ban you are looking for and it doesn't have to be a Colt, I kow where there are 5NEW, Never Owned BM's. Most A2's with 16 inch Hbar, Birdcage FH, 2 position collapsable stock and bayo lug. Priced between $1249 and $1375.
One also is a 7.62X39 1/12 twist.

I laid one way the other day :D

Karsten
 
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