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Bella

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Nevada.has a part time legislature, they meet every other year. They are in secession now. During these times our local news sources have daily updates on purposed legislation. One has to do with CCW.

One of our state legislators wants to do away with our permit. In other words, he wants concealed carry to not require a permit.

Open carry in Nevada is legal and requires no permit of any type. He thinks its silly that a person in Nevada has an handgun on his belt suddenly becomes a criminal if he puts a jacket on and that same gun is hidden.

I have mixed views on this.

What do you guys think. Is it a good idea to allow unregulated CCW?
 
I think its fine, but often a license/permit is needed for reciprocal relationships with other states. So, make carry legal, but still offer a permit for those who might need one for travel.
 
Free ccw is fine, we all have the right to carry...

I think open carry is silly, unless hiking or something...

I think states should go to constitutional carry... Maybe put a stamp on your drivers license if not allowed to carry....

On the other hand, when you hand an officer your ccw, they automatically get put at ease because they know that they're not dealing with a dirt bag... I've actually seen them physically relax when they see the permit.
 
Still waiting for the blood to run in the streets here in VT where carrying a gun in public (open or concealed) does not require permission...

Maybe it will in a couple hundred more years...
 
Maybe put a stamp on your drivers license if not allowed to carry....

On the other hand, when you hand an officer your ccw, they automatically get put at ease because they know that they're not dealing with a dirt bag... I've actually seen them physically relax when they see the permit.
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We are not required to carry ID, but to identify ourselves if asked by a peace officer...

It would seem to me that 'relaxing' because you hand an officer a piece of paper would be a training issue...
 
Well with my first ccw I had to pass an extensive background check... And I was required to give the card, when approached by an officer.
 
rickyrick said:
Well with my first ccw I had to pass an extensive background check... And I was required to give the card, when approached by an officer.
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Texas is very restrictive when it comes to firearms law. Texas is on par with NY and CA in many respects.
 
Nevada.has a part time legislature, they meet every other year. They are in secession now.
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Really? Your legislator voted itself out of the state? :p

One of our state legislators wants to do away with our permit. In other words, he wants concealed carry to not require a permit.
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I have mixed views on this.

What do you guys think. Is it a good idea to allow unregulated CCW?
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Absolutely. Why not? Where does the Second Amendment make a distinction between open bearing and concealed bearing of arms?

In fact, the 2A (in theory) prohibits infringement of the RKBA. A prohibition on concealed carry without a permit is an infringement. End of discussion. (For me -- YMMV.)

My only reservation is that Nevada should retain the permit as an option for purposes of reciprocity with other states, just as Alaska, Arizona, and a couple of other states do. Otherwise you become like Vermont: Free as a bird inside your state's boundaries, and screwed if you want to apply for a non-resident permit in other states that require a home state permit as a prerequisite.
 
"shall not be infringed" means unregulated CCW

Wyoming doesn't require a permit. I have seen that many gun fights since the permit requirement was done away with.

I will add, you can still get a CC permit in Wyoming in case you want to travel to states that recognize Wyoming's permit.

Bandits don't have permits to carry. Why not put law abiding citizens on the same footing as bandits?
 
Bella said:
Nevada's legislature is also proposing to extend concealed carry to school campuses.
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"School" as in elementary and high schools, or "schools" as in colleges and universities? If this is really for elementary and secondary schools, will it apply to students, or only to adults? If adults -- parents and other visitors, or only staff and faculty?
 
I love the idea. if your worried that criminals will carry guns because of the law, you should already be worried, pretty sure they just carry them anyways. if the politicians think getting a picture ID to vote is too burdensome on poor and elderly, then the same can be said for CC licensing procedures.

CC has been "unregulated" for criminals since the day carry laws were enacted

maybe a big bold "F" over the picture on their license for FELON.....they should just do that anyway
 
Well let's start with why you accepted the premise that the permit did any good in the first place?

What does the second background check do?

What does taking your fingerprints do- other than reminding these CCW permitee criminals to wipe their prints off their brass?

What does charging you another 50 bucks or more do- other than income generation for the State?
 
Nathan said:
It's good, but you ought to be able to buy a license with reciprocity in other states.
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Youre telling me. I had just picked one up in one stateand i move a few months later (like 4) i mvoe here and i jist applied for one. With a possible 90 day turnaround, i might be moving again and have to reapply again for the third time in just about a year. Tlak about a waste
 
Texas ccw is expensive and inconvenient

WA state is simple and straight forward however, not cheap for some citizens but not as expensive.

Now all these fees for a constitutional right isn't proper to me...
It's like paying to vote.
Or paying for unnecessary searches.
Or a tax to keep from housing soldiers in your home.
 
What are the citizens of Nevada and other States supposed to do when they need to be within 1000 of a School Zone carrying without a permit. What are LEO supposed to do when they encounter a citizen legally carrying without a permit, within 1000 feet of a school zone?
 
Steve4102 said:
What are the citizens of Nevada and other States supposed to do when they need to be within 1000 of a School Zone carrying without a permit. What are LEO supposed to do when they encounter a citizen legally carrying without a permit, within 1000 feet of a school zone?
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That's a good point, which I hadn't considered. Reason #2 to get a permit if your state makes it optional.

Or, better yet, repeal the school zone law, since it's an unreasonable and ineffective infringement on the RKBA.
 
What are the citizens of Nevada and other States supposed to do when they need to be within 1000 of a School Zone carrying without a permit. What are LEO supposed to do when they encounter a citizen legally carrying without a permit, within 1000 feet of a school zone?
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As far as I can tell here in VT...

That law only gets enforced as a violation tacked on to the list if you are arrested for 'other' violations, and found to have a gun...

No one is stopping cars that drive by a school that is 50' off the traveled road (lots of them here) looking for guns...

"Technically" a violation?

Yes...

Practically enforced?

Yes...
 
Salmoneye said:
As far as I can tell here in VT...

That law only gets enforced as a violation tacked on to the list if you are arrested for 'other' violations, and found to have a gun...
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That's nice ... for today. A law that's on the books can be enforced, whether it is (today) or not. In fact, as much as I disapprove of that particular law, IMHO all laws on the books should be enforced. That lets everyone know they're out there, so the ones that don't make sense can be repealed or revised. The police officer on patrol has no authority to decide which laws he wants to enforce, and he should not be taking on that authority unilaterally.

I'm currently looking at suing my town to challenge a local ordinance that has been on the books for over 60 years and, as best I can determine, has never been cited in all those 60 years. The police told me they don't offer their officers any training on it, and they don't consider it to be enforceable.

So what good is a law that has never been used and the police won't enforce it (today)? People get to know that the law isn't enforced. Next month maybe we get a new police chief, and he decides to tell the officers to enforce it. Mass confusion ensues.

Personally, if I now there's a dumb law out there I'm not likely to count on "but the don't usually enforce it" in the conduct of my daily life.
 
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