FR8 range report... PROBLEMS! (long)

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After so much anticipation about substandard soft Spanish steel, excessive muzzle blast and sharp recoil, I finally built up enough courage to take my Spanish FR8 out to the outdoor rifle range.

All of the aperture sights shoot high. The lowest peep (right side of the V-notch) shot about 6 inches high at 50 yards. And the V-notch shot about 2" high at 50 yards. Trying to shoot 12" pie plates at 200 yards was somewhat of a challenge due to 1) myself not being a very good rifleman and 2) having to hold low. This certainly isn't the best sight set up but I was able to put all shots within a 6 inch circle from various sitting positions at 50 yards. That's more than I can do with my Romanian SKS but hideously embarrassing compared to what I can do with my AR.

Top round from the magazine sometimes failed to chamber; the bolt would simply slide over without catching the round. Also, after extracting the 4th round, the 5 round would jump out of the magazine preventing extractor-controlled feeding. The cartridge would simply be pushed by the extractor into the chamber and prevent the bolt from going into full battery.

I shot thru 2 boxes of Chilean surplus 7.62mm NATO and switched to some South African ball. Then more problems occured. After firing a round of SA ball, the bolt became very difficult to move. I had to lay the rifle on the bench and put body weight on the bolt knob to get the bolt to rotate. I tried feeding a live round and extracting it without firing it, no problems and the bolt would operate very smoothly. Tried firing the round then extracting, near impossible to open the bolt.

The range staffer told me that the SA ball were reloads and the brass was excessively expanding causing it to stick inside the chamber. And he also said that my rifle (that had barely 50 rounds thru it) was filthy and needed to be cleaned.

Help me out here guys, rifles that are known to be rock solid reliable (SKS, Mauser 98) tend to be jamomatics in my hands. And, a rifle with questionable reliability (AR15) happens to be the most reliable weapon in my quiver. What's up?
 
FR-8

Congrats on owning a FR-8, I think these rifles are going to grow in popularity as more people see them at the range. First off, I shoot mine with a slip on rubber recoil pad and it really helps but the rifle is going to have some kick.
I have a Cetme also and have it sighted in so that I can use the 200 meter apeture at 100 yards instead of the 100 open sight and think this will help you alot! Right now I have been trying to use the open sight on my FR-8, but I think that I'm going to switch to the 200 meter sight as well.
As far as having feeding problems all that I can say is that make sure you move the bolt all the way to the rear to pick up the rounds.
So far I have been shooting on British Radway ammo and haven't had bolt problems like yours. The bolt was a little sticky at first but has started to loosen up, someone over at the FR-8 and Cetme forum suggested that this could have been due to the chamber being parkerized just a little bit and goes away with use as it smooths out.
Hope this helps. Scott
 
I've been thinking about getting an FR 8 next time they go on sale. I haven't been able to find a web site though. What's the address?
 
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WiFAL,
Aim was selling them for a while but they are out and Century only has cracked stocked ones in "good" conditon left. I think the best bet would be to wait and see if Century gets any more in because they are the importer or buy on off of the gun auctions like gunbroker.
 
I think that maybe your problem with the South African ammo is excessive pressure. I would not fire any more of that ammo in that rifle. Is this by any chance the stuff in the brown plastic battle pack ? A friend of mine had some of that and it caused difficult bolt opening and extration. He took it back. All of this cheap milsurp ammo floating around is not created equal. Don't buy something based on price alone. This is why I reload for these calibers. A lot of people ask me why I reload for these when the ammo is so cheap. Simple; I KNOW it is not corrosive. I know what is in it and what kind of pressures to expect.
I don't own an FR8, but several of my friends do. They love them. I have shot several and really enjoyed them. If they were in a different caliber, I would have one immediately.
I am fairly new to the milsurp rifle game, but so far I own 11 of them. Every one of them shoots about six inches high at 100 yards with the rear sight in it's lowest setting. Remember, these rifles are from the days when men were men. They issued rifles in full sized battle calibers and expected the men to shoot at long range. This is just something you have to live with.
As far as the feeding problem, just a guess, but possibly your magazine is either dirty or the mag spring may be weak.

"The range staffer told me that the SA ball were reloads and the brass was excessively expanding causing it to stick inside the chamber. "
BS

As far as your rifle being dirty; These rifles are old and have been in storage for many years. Prior to long term storage, most of these rifles were packed with cosmoline or grease. NEVER fire a new gun without cleaning it; I don't care who made it or when. These milsurp rifles definitely need a cleaning that takes considerable time. I cleaned the grease from a new M44 bolt at my local gunshop the other day and it took me over a half hour just to get the grease off it; that is just the bolt. I saw a guy buying a milsurp rifle one day at the shop. I told him to make sure he cleaned it real good before he fired it. He gave me some smarta**ed answer that boiled down to why ? I told him that it was generally considered bad form to fire a rifle with a partially obstructed bore. Having a barrel half full of grease is not a good thing when firing.
 
I had a FR8 several years ago. It beat the heck out of me when shooting and gave dissapointing accuracy. Ended up trading it for a SKS.

They do look cool tho
 
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