Four .45s. No 1911s involved

k4swb

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Once upon a time I was a revolver man. I reload everything I shoot except .22 lr and I wasn’t interested in chasing brass.
One day my cousin C and I were discussing that we really should have at least one semi-auto handgun. After thinking about it for awhile he decided to get a Glock 17. I thought I wanted a Glock 21 but still wasn’t totally convinced I needed a semi-auto. Realizing this was just to test the waters and finding the G21 was well over a hundred dollars more than a Ruger P90 I decided to get the KP90DC.
Well both guns arrived and we both liked the Glock and I really liked the Ruger. I liked the trigger function and the de-cock. Reminded me of my revolvers. The Ruger trigger was rough and C laughed at my ugly crunchy gun.
I took mine home, cleaned it really well even to the point of taking everything out. Decided while it was down this far to smooth things up as best I could. What a difference! Less than 4 pounds in SA and smooth as silk. DA was still heavier than I like but silky smooth also.
Went over to C’s house to shoot the next day and even he stopped laughing at my crunchy trigger. Much better than his G17. So much better that he had to send the G17 back 3 times to even get it to the advertised 5 lbs. This was before everyone had drop-in parts for all the Glocks. My P90 was very accurate grouping into 1” or less at 25 yards with the right loads from a rested hold.
So I now own a Ruger KP90DC and couldn’t be happier.

Fast forward a few years and due to poor planning I needed to thin out some things. When it came to handguns I decided the P90 was the one to go first. A couple of years later and things were getting back to more normal. A friend, I’ll call him D bought a Glock 30 for CC. When I saw this gun and handled it I decided I really needed one. I wanted to shoot it first but for reasons beyond my control we just couldn’t get a range trip up so I bought one without ever shooting one.
When it came in I cleaned it good and looked everything over. Something in my mind kept jiggling but I couldn’t put my finger on it. I knew there was nothing mechanically wrong so off to the range I went.
Loaded it up and got a good rest to check sight alignment and ripped of five. Not bad grouping, might need to move the rear sight slightly to the left but OK for now. Top off the mag and fire 5 more. This gun will shoot just fine but that little jiggle in my mind was getting worse. I’m confident in the sights right now and stand up to see what it feels like and fire the last 5 rounds out of the mag. At that point I figured out what that mind jiggle was. This gun feel great and is really comfortable with a full mag but as the round count diminishes the gun gets really top heavy while the grip gets to where it weighs nothing. This isn’t anything that I can’t live with as long as I expect it but the G30 is not going to be as much fun as a range gun for me as my P90 was. I put on +0 grip extensions, extended controls, 3.5 lb trigger stuff and bought a KKM bbl so I could shoot lead (I’m still not convinced this is necessary) and bought a .22 lr conversion kit that is really fun, when it works, but that is another tale for another time.
I like the G30 a lot and plan to keep it especially since……..

I now own another KP90.
This one has a safety and I really dislike it. Who in their right mind designs a safety where it is off in the up position!!!??
A friend named M had the P90 and had listened to me whine about all he could stand so he offered me his for a price I couldn’t refuse. It isn’t quite as slick as my first one but I haven’t polished it up yet and may not. I’m certain it is really accurate, maybe as good as the first one but I am not. Just like my first one this one has Hogue grippers and they fit me great. The ONLY thing I dislike about this gun is that stupid safety.
M and I went shooting awhile later and he showed me the replacement for the P90. It is a Taurus 24/7 OSS DS 45 SS. I shot a couple of mags through it and was intrigued so I filed that away for later thinking.

A couple of years pass and cousin C and I were discussing guns as we usually do when we get together and out of the blue he states he’s thinking about getting a new semi-auto. Something with the light/laser rails for a nightstand gun. When I asked if he had narrowed it down any he told me he was really looking at the Taurus PT845. I wasn’t expecting a .45 ACP from him at all but he said he had decided to get a .45. His criteria was for a capacity of over 10 rounds in .45 ACP, DA/SA, light/laser rail, polymer frame and not a Glock. Not because he doesn’t like them because his still shoots his 1st generation G17, he just wanted something different and maybe less expensive. The PT845 fit all his specs. I felt a brain file rattling and remembered the 24/7 OSS and mentioned this. After much thought we decided he should get the PT845 and if I could swing it a little later I’d get the OSS.

It took about 6 months but later got here. I had shot his PT845 and really liked it but since he already had one I bought the OSS while they were on sale at a good price. I kept worrying that I wouldn’t like the OSS as much as his 845 but remembered during my brief encounter on a range trip with friend M I was favorably impressed and was really excited when I got my hands on it. I cleaned it, and cleaned it again and again. Taurus really packs them for shipment. A couple of days later and the weather was really nice for Nov. in NC. Off to the range for a function test and to sight in. Loaded the mag with 10 rounds got a good rest and let loose. First 5 shots were grouping nicely about 4” to the right with elevation close enough. Seems that almost everyone else’s guns come it shooting low left but mine almost always shoot to the right, and yes I am right handed. I move the rear sight slightly leftward and shot 5 more. Better but needed one more nudge. Now she’s shooting where I aim and I get serious. This thing will shoot. I won’t bore you with the details but I was very very happy after a couple hundred rounds. I put over a thousand rounds thru the OSS before the weather got really crappy and have had no gun related problems what-so-ever.
I borrowed C’s PT845 on one trip so I could shoot them both and while I really like both guns I’m glad things turned out exactly as they did. We are both very happy with our choices and both decided that while we may actually buy a gun like the other has eventually, we won’t swap.
 
This one has a safety and I really dislike it. Who in their right mind designs a safety where it is off in the up position!!!??

I don't get this at all I have the P90 the safety is up or in line when its off as I think it should be, I did hear of a gun that had what I would call a backwards safety down was off for a police officer something like it might confuse somebody if they grabbed the Cops gun, ok whatever, I just don't see your problem, but then again I don't see any problems related to a P90 ever.
 
This one has a safety and I really dislike it. Who in their right mind designs a safety where it is off in the up position!!!??

Ahh, S&W? It seems a lot of police guns were set up that way. My S&W 5906 and 4506 are that way as are other models.

John Browning designed the 45, but there's been some nice ones other than the 1911. None of which ARE a 1911, nonetheless nice guns.
 
I don't remember ever owning a semi-auto with a safety that you had to push up to take the safety off. I may have but it is more natural for me to swipe it down to off. Mostly I just don't use the safety at all. With a SA/DA semi I don't really want a safety at all. I really like the way a Glock works. Pick them up, pull the trigger and they go bang with no need to fool with buttons and levers. My KP90 DC had no external safety and I liked it for that reason among others. My OSS has a safety but it doesn't get used. At least it works as I think it should.
 
This one has a safety and I really dislike it. Who in their right mind designs a safety where it is off in the up position!!!??

The S&W mod. 645 is that way. I carried one on duty for years, and it still remains one of my favorites (and I have 2 1911's).

Like so many other things, it becomes second nature to flip the safety up with practice. On the 645 (and others), the safety also functions as a decocking lever.

As to the assets, I really like the fact that the safety (and dropping the mag.) completely disconnects the trigger. While wrestling with a suspect, having it on "safe" has saved my rear on several occasions.
 
ok, now I realize what the OP is saying, I guess I never gave it a thought as I really don't use safeties all that much :eek:

the feel of the grip in my hand tells my thumb to flip it up or down as the case may be.
 
The Ruger P90 is a surprisingly good gun. I've heard a few describe them as "almost target quality guns".

IMO, the trigger is a world of difference better than the P89. I don't understand why, AFAIK, they are the same design.

I agree, I see no need for a safety unless you are going to carry it "cocked and locked".

I had a nice one, but it was stolen. :(

Ken
 
Many guns have the safety in such a fashion. When you reach are pulling the gun up, let your thumb slide the safety up. It is a very natural movement. In the US we are used to it the other way because of the 1911. I am not a big fan of safeties unless it's being carried condition one. Which I'm not a big fan of carrying personally. They are perfectly safe (arguably safer) but I just prefer to carry DAO pistol for CCW.
 
Whatever I'm using for my HD/nightstand gun sits there with the safety off if it has one. I am not a fan of 1911s and the way they work. Great range guns but not for me as a home defense weapon. I prefer the way a Glock works, mostly.
DA/SA with a de-cock and no safety is perfect FOR ME. I sure wish I had kept my first P90!!!
 
I have an early production Ruger KP90DC, myself. Sturdy, reliable and capable of surprisingly excellent inherent accuracy.

I haven't used or carried it as much in recent year, so I put it on my list of guns to take to the range in coming days. I was discussing it with someone at the factory once, and when I told him how much it had been fired, he laughed and said it was probably time to retire it and get a new one (except they no longer make the DC model, unfortunately).

I've had to replace a few parts over the years, and have gone through a number of recoil springs (both factory and heavier), and it's been a very good .45 pistol, all things considered. I should have bought 2 of them way back when ... ;)

BTW, besides Ruger ... S&W, Walther, and Beretta have also used slide-mounted safeties/decocking levers on pistols over the years which function in the Down/On Safe & Up/Off Safe, Ready-to-Fire manner.

While I also tend to prefer the spring-loaded, decock-only options, I've carried and used the regular designs (Down/Decock & On Safe) in S&W 3rd gen pistols for 20 years. A couple of my personally-owned S&W pistols have been equipped with the optional spring-loaded, decock-only option, though.

I've always felt the Ruger P90 didn't receive the attention and appreciation it deserved. Granted, it's large (especially for a single column magazine pistol) and a bit bulky, and field stripping involves reaching inside the ejection port to move the ejector plate (which provides another opportunity to inspect the barrel chamber to make sure it's unloaded), but it's a very good gun, nonetheless.

Coincidentally to this thread topic, I'd already taken mine from the safe for cleaning, inspection and lubrication, and planned to take it to the range for qual & some practice in the coming days (along with at least one of my 1911's) . My M&P 45 and a couple of 3rd gen S&W .45's have been getting a LOT of range time lately, and it's time to get out the P90 again. ;)
 
Coincidentally to this thread topic, I'd already taken mine from the safe for cleaning, inspection and lubrication, and planned to take it to the range for qual & some practice in the coming days

If I did nothing else here, this was worth it. I like my P90 even if the safety works wrong and almost always find it in my range bag. If I'm having trouble with any gun I'm shooting I pull out the Ruger to just relax, knowing it will go bang every time.
 
About the P-90

I have a P90DC. The only nit I have with it is the length of the trigger guard. Makes me reach and just feels a little far. I've never been accused of having small hands, but there it is.
Shoots good though.
 
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