For better or for worse, I need Winclean. . .

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2cats

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People were jawing about Winclean recently, and I recently learned that it will be a requirement for me at a particular indoor range. I know Wal Mart carries it, but if anyone knows of an on-line source, I'd appreciate it. I looked at a bunch of places that I have bookmarked, but saw no sign of Winclean.

Thanks alot, and say a prayer that my gun doesn't yak on it.



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2cats

Glock 19
Colt Police Positive .38 Special
Smith & Wesson Model 41
Browning Hi-Power Standard (9mm)
 
2cats,

Don't know of an on line source for Winclean. I have shot about 300 rounds of it through my G17 and G19 with no problems and have shot about 150 rounds of the .38 Spl through my S&W M19 without incident (I know I'm now supposed to be ashamed to own a S&W product). I would just keep a weapons cleaning brush and maybe some Gunscrubber around to do a quick clean up (whore bath???) on your pistol to obviate any problems during the training sessions.

Wayne Dobbs
 
Why WinClean? Does the range require a lead free ammo? You can get other brands, perhaps of much better quality. Check out www.ammoman.com

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
Why Winclean? Because they said so; the IDPA local club has a source; and it's available at Wal Mart.

Do they require a lead free ammo? Yes. What other brands, and which might be of better quality? (Speer? I've got a link to "The Hunting Shack" where there are no prices, and the 115 grain is listed as "LFS"; what's that?)

Check out ammoman. I did. Again. They only have a limited supply of Federal solid copper, for $170/1000. I e-mailed Eric about the Winclean, and haven't heard back from him.

The idea here is to use what the IDPA club uses, because they use it, and because, in a pinch, I can get a temporary supply at Wal Mart. But I'd like to get 2 cases of it at a time delivered on my porch in 1 day from ammoman.com. Or somebody as good as ammoman.com.

Does anybody know of an on-line source of Winchester Winclean in 9mm?



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2cats

Glock 19
Colt Police Positive .38 Special
Smith & Wesson Model 41
Browning Hi-Power Standard (9mm)
 
My SIG 220 really likes the Winclean insofar as accuracy at a reasonable price. It does not shoot UMC worth a damn. 4 to 5 inches low at 25 yds. I 've heard that Wideners in shotgun news has some for a good price.
800-615-3006
Please let ua know what you find out.
BTW I shoot at an outdoor range and am not required to use lead free.
 
Thank you, OTIS. I did go onto Widener's web page without success, but it looks like they're the kind of web page that requires a phone call. I will use the number you supplied.

In the mean time, if anyone knows of a source of Winchester Winclean on-line, I would be very grateful.

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2cats

Glock 19
Colt Police Positive .38 Special
Smith & Wesson Model 41
Browning Hi-Power Standard (9mm)
 
2cats,

I was only trying to be helpful. WinClean has been absolute crap for me. It's neither clean nor reliable, hence my question as to why anyone would require it.

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So many pistols, so little money.
 
Tecolote
This brings up an interesting discussion. It seems like each model or even each individual pistol is ammo brand sensitive. I don't know why, but I think it has merit.
 
I have had super luck with Speer Reduced Hazard Training, RHT, in my 1911. I also think that LFS is Lead Free Solid, probably a solid copper bullet. Solid copper was all the rage a few years ago, but was swiftly removed from the market because of bounce-back problems when fired at steel plates. I have been hit in the head with copper bullets that bounced off of steel targets. Thank God for my safety glasses, and that the bullet wasn't going all that fast when it thumped me. I was probably 50 feet from the target, too.

Winclean is Winchester's answer to removing airborne lead at the firing point. I am not sure if that bullet is still a lead core affair. Winchester does make a nice frangible round, which has a brown colored bullet. It breaks up nicely when fired against steel plates, but is not as accurate as the Speer stuff. Hunting Shack should have both kinds.

There are really two kinds of ammunition in question here:

1. Lead Free. This means no lead in the priming mix, bullet, or anywhere else. This ammo is most typically used in an indoor training range, where lead emissions are a concern. Range clean up is minimized, and airborne lead is not a problem. Speer RHT meets this requirement with a special bullet that breaks up into tiny pieces upon impact, and a special primer. Winchester Frangible does the same thing.

2. Lead-free primers. These primers do not contain lead styphnate or any derivative of lead used in explosive chemistry. The bullet is sheilded from the propellant gasses by a gas check, disk, plating, or other means. No hot gasses can erode lead from the bullet base (like an FMJ with exposed lead at the base) and pollute air at the muzzle of the weapon. During impact, the bullet may deform, smash, or otherwise come apart, but that problem is down range, not at the shooting point. I think Winclean may be this type of ammo. Federal has Ballisticlean, Remington has Super-Unleaded (I'm not positive about the Remington, it may have a lead-free bullet), and Speer has Lawman Cleanfire.

If there are questions about lead free ammo, start a new thread, and I'll tell you all I can.

Regards,

Slim
 
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