You may want to also consider the Sage Technologies collapsing stock for the Remington 870 (only model it is made for). it has a pair of struts that collapse along the sides of the receiver in three positions for closed, fully extended, and 2/3 extended (when wearing body armor or heavy clothing). While I have not had the chance to try it (have to get an 870 first), it looks sturdy and has a nice thick buttpad. It too would gice the user problems with getting a good cheek weld, but I thought it would be better than the Remington factory folder. The only problem is I do not know if Sage is still in business, and the last catalog that I received from the place I ordered my stock from (Brownells) does not have them in the catalog. Perhaps they might still stock them, but not list them.