Hey guys I bought one of those HK 91 rip offs with the ugly reciever. The thing was a piece of ****. I sent it back and weeks and weeks later got a refund check. They had the B--ls to charge me a restocking fee for their defective rifle. All in all not a good way to spend $700. So I don't want to repeat the mistake. Now it used to be AK's were cheap, not so anymore.They go $550 to $600 in my area. The ones that are coming in with 10 US parts and all that. I saw Fals for $568 at aim surplus. With my dealers 10% markup it should run $700 out the door. Now which of these should I get? I realize they are diffrent animals.How much is .308 ammo VS 7.62? Mags for these guns are both cheap right? So opinions guys?
FN FAL or AK 47,what to buy? Opinions?
- Thread starter 45automan
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Well, in part it depends on what you want to use it for and what you currently have in your safe.
If you have an AR-15, the AK is pretty much like it (semi-"assault" rifle). Whereas the 308 packs more of a punch.
You should probably lay eyes and hands on the surplus FAL. Examples I have seen are less than satisfactory. I like the new DS Arms FAL, but it costs a little more.
If you have an AR-15, the AK is pretty much like it (semi-"assault" rifle). Whereas the 308 packs more of a punch.
You should probably lay eyes and hands on the surplus FAL. Examples I have seen are less than satisfactory. I like the new DS Arms FAL, but it costs a little more.
The AK was a buy when the were below $200. I'd rather get a good SKS with a fixed mag and save the money.
However, a FAL is a real battle rifle. We, the good guys, need more of them. Prices range from $500, to $800, to $1200, and up to about $1500. Century is on the low end and DSArms and others are on the mid to high end. You can also look into buying a smith-built gun. Try www.arizonaresponsesystem.com . If that is not the correct URL, just do a search. You will find Mark.
1,000 rounds of 7.62 Russian is about $80. 1,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO is about $150.
Rick
However, a FAL is a real battle rifle. We, the good guys, need more of them. Prices range from $500, to $800, to $1200, and up to about $1500. Century is on the low end and DSArms and others are on the mid to high end. You can also look into buying a smith-built gun. Try www.arizonaresponsesystem.com . If that is not the correct URL, just do a search. You will find Mark.
1,000 rounds of 7.62 Russian is about $80. 1,000 rounds of 7.62 NATO is about $150.
Rick
AK-47 $300+("post-ban")-$700+("pre-ban") http://www.burnsbro.com/
Do a search at www.auctionarms.com for "ak-47".
30 round magazines $7.00-$25.00 each. http://aimsurplus.com/
7.62x39mm 1000 rounds $79.95 at www.jgsales.com
VERY cheap to shoot.
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Do a search at www.auctionarms.com for "ak-47".
30 round magazines $7.00-$25.00 each. http://aimsurplus.com/
7.62x39mm 1000 rounds $79.95 at www.jgsales.com
VERY cheap to shoot.
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John/az
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shiroikuma
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Unless you really like to shoot longer ranges I'd vote for the AK. I've got a romanian AK and a Century $600 FAL so I've tried both types. The AK is a lot lighter, mine has a electronic holo sight ($150) attached which make it very quick to aim. The Century Fals are nice rifles,very nice but cost me twice as much as the AK, the ammo is more expensive, and the peep sights are pretty much useless if the light outside isn't bright. In dim light you can't see through the peephole at all. On the other hand the fal is a really nice design and well made of milled parts, it feels like quality. Don't let anyone BS you into thinking you need a 1200 DSA verision either. All you get for you money is a nicer finish and a chance to brag on boards like this.
I'd still reccomend the AK (stamped version)
Shiro
I'd still reccomend the AK (stamped version)
Shiro
shiroikuma,
I have to disagree with you about the differential in a quality FAL. It is not just bragging rights you get. A surplus gun may shoot 4-6 MOA whereas a DSArms can go 2-3 MOA. I have seen surplus FALs cough parts and have had no problem with my DSArms (granted not a completely comparable experience).
With a DSArms gun, it is not "just a nicer" finish. The reveiver is made out of higher quality steel and completely heat treated: that directly translates into longer life. And longer life is something I want in a "keeper" gun.
With regards to the narrow peep sight - I use a larger ghost-ring with no problems.
I have to disagree with you about the differential in a quality FAL. It is not just bragging rights you get. A surplus gun may shoot 4-6 MOA whereas a DSArms can go 2-3 MOA. I have seen surplus FALs cough parts and have had no problem with my DSArms (granted not a completely comparable experience).
With a DSArms gun, it is not "just a nicer" finish. The reveiver is made out of higher quality steel and completely heat treated: that directly translates into longer life. And longer life is something I want in a "keeper" gun.
With regards to the narrow peep sight - I use a larger ghost-ring with no problems.
Destructo6
New member
I'd go with a kit FAL. Specifically an Imbel receiver and a good STG58 parts kit and send it to Derek at Azex Arms. Very nice and a prompt turn around.
The FAL offers a great alternative to the intermediate cartridges and is a real looker.
The FAL offers a great alternative to the intermediate cartridges and is a real looker.
If Derek is the guy from Flagstaff I have seen one example of his handy work.
Sweeeet.
Medium-dark Parkerized finish is a head-turner. I would go with the plastic handguards, myself. My buddy says the metal ones get real freakin' hot.
I have been told smiths who know, or should know more than me that just about any FAL, kit or otherwise can be a good shooter, even Century or Hesse. The head-spacing is the key, so I am told.
Rick
BTW, FAL mags from DSA go for an affordable $8 each. Buy ten.
Sweeeet.
Medium-dark Parkerized finish is a head-turner. I would go with the plastic handguards, myself. My buddy says the metal ones get real freakin' hot.
I have been told smiths who know, or should know more than me that just about any FAL, kit or otherwise can be a good shooter, even Century or Hesse. The head-spacing is the key, so I am told.
Rick
BTW, FAL mags from DSA go for an affordable $8 each. Buy ten.
George Hill
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RikWriter took the words right outta my keyboard.
I'd go with (actually I am) with an Aim stg and then plan on doing some upgrading, or buy a kit. Send it to Azex Arms, ARS or GnG Gunsmithing and have them trick it out. IMHO you'll have a gun the equal of a DSA for a few hnndred less. If you go the AIM route you may get lucky and get a good one right out of the box.
Right now I'm waiting for my Aim Stg, and I'm planning to buy a kit and build a tricked out carbine.
Right now I'm waiting for my Aim Stg, and I'm planning to buy a kit and build a tricked out carbine.