fluff and buff

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Alamo: thanks for the link to the Kel-Tec fluff and buff site. http://www.ktog.org/tecwerks12a.htm

I wonder if anyone has any opinions about this subject for pistols other than Kel-Tec? And are there sites out there telling about how to do it to various others?
 
Many of the techniques and polish points that are mentioned in the Keltec F&B would benefit many other semi-auto pistols. I just haven't seen them for other pistols, all collected into a single place like the Keltec ones.
 
I was going to do the "fluff & buff" to my P-32, but when I saw that it was just to improve functioning and reliability I chose not to.
Both Kel-Tecs I've owned have been perfectly functional and reliable, so I figured why bother. Am I missing something?
 
IMO, you're not missing anything. I've done a small bit of polishing on my Keltec pistols, though nothing like the F&B instructions. I've had excellent reliability from both the P11 and the P32, so I'm not going to tinker with a good thing.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kingknives:
Am I missing something?[/quote]

Maybe not. Maybe. Polishing the trigger can make a marginal gun into a fun shooter, even if reliability is not a problem.
 
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"I wonder if anyone has any opinions about this subject for pistols other than Kel-Tec?" ****
Actually, after reading the various "fluff" threads, I have been asking myself exactly that question. I have an original AMT Backup .380SA which I bought new around 1982. Since then I have put maybe 500 rounds through it, and experience a jam or failure about one in 20 rounds, depending on the ammo. Because of this, I do not depend on the pistol needless to say! **** But I do like the size and overall feel, its sharp recoil does not bother me either. If I could make the damn thing reliable, I'd have a worthwhile pistol! So I plan to do a major "Fluff and Buff" using the P-32 instructions as a model. **** Also, I am considering using a touch of auto valve grinding compound between the slide and frame rails (dry) and working it by hand a bit to get what the sandpaper misses. **** Any thoughts on a "Fluff Job" for an old SS AMT .380SA?
 
I found the Keltec F&B to be very enlightening. I did the full treatment to my P-11 over several months. It didn`t *need* it but it`s a better shooting gun now that it`s been done. It pointed out to me that you don`t need to be a trained gunsmith to make some *minor* improvements on your guns You just have to know your limitations! Since then I`ve done a little on just about every gun I own and they`re just a little better for my effort. Doing things like smoothing the rough edges on stamped action parts where they rub against the frame can smooth up a trigger pull noticably but without any problems as long as you understand how they work and stay away from critical engagement points etc. Polishing feed ramps with a felt cone and fine jewlers rouge improves functioning and as long as you`re polishing and not reshaping it doesn`t hurt a thing. Polishing the trigger face on a DA pistol can make it easier to shoot well. Deburring the follower in a finicky magazine may make it reliable. Etc. etc. Example,I used to have a *&* Sigma 40V (no groans please ;) ). Out of the box it was reliable but the trigger sucked. I took it apart and checked it out. I found that almost all the action parts were investment castings or stamped parts that had never had the parting lines or burrs removed prior to assembly! So I got out a few small very fine files and the ol Dremmel and carefully smoothed everything out like it should have been in the first place. I didn`t reshape anything,just deburred and polished it a little. While I was at it I polished the feed ramp then cleaned,lubed and reassembled it. What a difference! The trigger was still too heavy (I didn`t change any springs) but it was much smoother and easier to shoot. That gun also went over 4000rds. without a single jam. Not bad for 15mins. work. :) Bear in mind though that I`m also a mechanic by trade so any handgun is a VERY simple mechanism to me. Thoughts for the AMT .380? If it were mine I`d polish the feed ramp first. Then since it sounds like the slide may be binding some,I`d clean it then go over the slide and frame rails with permanent marker (poor man`s machinists dye) then hand cycle it a few dozen times. If the marker isn`t worn off evenly look for where it is and those will be your high spots. Then I`d use very fine (600grit or less) sandpaper on a small flat block to take the high spots down and lightly polish the rails. Re-marker and trial fit a LOT and sand a LITTLE. Be carefull not to take too much off or the slide will start to get sloppy on the frame. I`m no sure how the valve grinding compound would work for this but it may be worth a try. Happy fluffing! :D Marcus
 
The AMT 380? I'd do what Mac Scott of SM&A did with one, encased it in a block of Lucite and used it as a paperweight. :) I even have a picture of the paperweight somewhere around here, but maybe he has it on his web site, www.colt380.com
 
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