Florida Shopper cuts holdup short

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Another one for the archives. Note the wussy counter arguments and the typical HCI spin at the bottom, "well, something could have gone wrong."
http://www.sptimes.com/News/052400/Hernando/Shopper_cuts_holdup_s.shtml

Shopper cuts holdup short

In her purse, the woman hid a gun - just the thing to stop a man threatening Wal-Mart employees.
By JAMIE MALERNEE

© St. Petersburg Times, published May 24, 2000

SPRING HILL -- Sandra Suter was standing in the check-out line at Wal-Mart on Monday when she saw several store employees wrestling with a man.

"Drop the knife! Drop the knife!" one of the employees yelled at the man, who authorities say was trying to steal a VCR. The man, identified as Willie J. Redding, dropped the appliance, pulled a small blade and lunged, cutting two employees, a Hernando County sheriff's report said.

Suter, a 53-year-old grandmother of two, reacted. Within seconds, she rushed to the scuffle.

"I have a concealed weapons permit," she announced as she whipped out the .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun she keeps in her purse.

"Either drop the knife, or I'll shoot you," she said as she held the weapon to the man's face.

After a few tense moments, during which Suter repeated her threat, Redding dropped the knife and surrendered to store security. Redding of 262 A St., Brooksville, now faces a charge of armed robbery and two counts of battery.

Authorities say the 50-year-old Brooksville man walked into the Spring Hill store with an empty VCR box, said he wanted to make an exchange and then tried to leave with a new VCR. Redding, who has previous convictions for selling drugs and dealing in stolen property, was taken to the Hernando County Jail. He was released Tuesday on $3,000 bond.

After the arrest, several employees, who did not need treatment for minor cuts, and a Hernando County sheriff's deputy thanked Suter for her decisive action.

Suter's husband and grown children are calling her a hero. But the 5-foot-3 homemaker just laughs at the label.

"I just did what I thought was right," she said. "It was the first time I've ever had to pull my gun other than at the firing range. I don't know what made me do it."

Suter said she has carried the gun in a special pouch in her purse since March. Her son urged her to get it, saying she needed protection during long drives to visit out-of-state relatives. Suter picked the chrome handgun because it was "pretty."

She would have used it Monday if necessary. "I would have, had I had a clear shot," she said.

Suter is not a member of the National Rifle Association and said she does not get involved in "any of that politics." But she strongly supports Americans' right to bear arms. She and her family often gather at a Lakeland shooting range to practice.

"It's brought our family closer together," she said. She and her husband keep child safety locks on their guns and have instructed their grandchildren, ages 4 and 2, not to touch them, she said.

Although authorities said they were relieved no one was hurt, spokesmen for the Hernando County Sheriff's Office and Wal-Mart advise civilians not to get involved in such situations. "We want to keep our stores a pleasant place to shop, so we would never encourage our customers to arm themselves," said Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams.

"In terms of how she handled herself, she acted responsibly," said sheriff's spokeswoman Deanna Dammer. "But next time the situation might not end so well."

Shopper Lorinda Smith, who was in the candy aisle during the confrontation, said Tuesday that she was more frightened by Suter's gun then the man's knife.

"That scared the c--- out of me, that someone could have a gun in the store," said Smith of Hernando Beach. "This one lady was in there with her children and when she saw (the gun) she was like, "Get on the ground! Get on the ground!' If I was there with my kids, I would have had a heart attack."

NRA officials did not return phone calls. Kim Mariani, spokeswoman for Handgun Control Inc., said Suter's actions, while brave, could have hurt someone.

"God forbid something went wrong," Mariani said. "It just escalates the situation, and a lot of times it's unnecessary."



[This message has been edited by Oatka (edited May 24, 2000).]
 
Some customers weren't bothered by a man waving a KNIFE, but they freaked when they saw a GUN in the hand of sweet ol' Granny.

WTF?!

"We don't encourage our customers to arm themselves," says the Wal-Mart PR flack, in DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF WAL-MART POLICIES! Say, Mr. Williams, should Sandra have just stood there with her thumb up her butt, like your so-called security guards, and let your employees get slashed?

GDMFin' ingrates. Sandra Suter very probably saved lives in this incident, and all they do is whine about how scared they were.

:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
This just goes to show what we are fighting. Here someone does the right thing, risks her own life to save others or to prevent them from serious injury and all they can say about it is that she did the wrong thing and that it scared them. Heck if I was that scared of something, I'd want to learn about it in order to quill my fear. This really makes me sad.



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Richard

The debate is not about guns,
but rather who has the ultimate power to rule,
the People or Government.
RKBA!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oatka:

"I have a concealed weapons permit," she announced as she whipped out the .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun she keeps in her purse.

"Either drop the knife, or I'll shoot you," she said as she held the weapon to the man's face.
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She apparently spent some money on some expert training. Bravo!!!


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
Although authorities said they were relieved no one was hurt, spokesmen for the Hernando County Sheriff's Office and Wal-Mart advise civilians not to get involved in such situations. "We want to keep our stores a pleasant place to shop, so we would never encourage our customers to arm themselves," said Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams.

"In terms of how she handled herself, she acted responsibly," said sheriff's spokeswoman Deanna Dammer. "But next time the situation might not end so well."

Shopper Lorinda Smith, who was in the candy aisle during the confrontation, said Tuesday that she was more frightened by Suter's gun then the man's knife.

"That scared the c--- out of me, that someone could have a gun in the store," said Smith of Hernando Beach. "This one lady was in there with her children and when she saw (the gun) she was like, "Get on the ground! Get on the ground!' If I was there with my kids, I would have had a heart attack."

NRA officials did not return phone calls. Kim Mariani, spokeswoman for Handgun Control Inc., said Suter's actions, while brave, could have hurt someone.

"God forbid something went wrong," Mariani said. "It just escalates the situation, and a lot of times it's unnecessary
[/quote]


These f'ers should stay as far away from me as possible.

We do not need the Sheriff's office criticizing armed citizens. This Sheriff should be praising the citizens who help to fight crime and made their job easier.

We do not need Wal-Mart crying that an armed citizen prevented their employees from getting slashed and opening up a million dollar law suit against them for not providing protection.

We do not need idiot soccer mom's having heart attacks over people who refuse to be victems. This woman should be thanking Gram for making her community safer.

We do not need HCI claiming that armed responce makes things worse.

~USP

[This message has been edited by USP45 (edited May 24, 2000).]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Shopper Lorinda Smith, who was in the candy aisle during the confrontation, said Tuesday that she was more frightened by Suter's gun then the man's knife.
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Probably wouldn't be saying that if it had been her face the knife was being waved in! :mad:
 
Obviously, that stupid bliss ninny, Lorinda Smith, has never seen a person who was eviscerated or decapitated by a knife. Or, maybe she has never cut herself badly with a kitchen knife.

Or, maybe she is like most gun grabbers and believes that a person who is killed by a knife, is only "kinda" dead, whereas a person killed by an evil gun is "really, really, really" dead. Hmmmm.

And that Sheriff is sooo typical of many sheriffs and C.O.P.s. Afterall, everytime a civilian uses a firearm to stop a crime, it indicates just a little less need for more cops and the huge budgets and MORE TAXES! for which the administrators are always screaming. Oh well... J.B.

[This message has been edited by Jay Baker (edited May 24, 2000).]
 
Does anyone else find it odd how the slavies are eager to prostrate themselves before a firearm, as if it were a holy object, then have the brass to call gun owners crazy?
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In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
 
I can just feel the reporter's disappointment upon learning that Suter is not an NRA member. That's probably the first thing she was asked.
 
How would it be to stand there and watch the action knowing full well that you had with you the means to end it? Then when you've got a few people bleeding profusely and several others screaming for help, calmly announce that you had with you the means to stop it, but because of the media's and the LEA's demonization of even responsible use of a firearm and because there was no immediate threat to yourself you thought it better, due to advice by LEA's comments on similar past situations, to "just be a good witness".

I can't even begin to express my sincere displeasure at the [edited by John/az2] LEO's, manager's, [edited by John/az2] mom's comments on the responsible use of a firearm.

Damned if you do and Damned if you don't.

Dennis, pass me a sugar cookie and a glass of milk, please... :mad:

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[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited May 25, 2000).]
 
I wanna know if this guy is a spokesman for Wal-Mart, or for this particular wal-mart.

What he is saying in a nutshell is, "ccw holders aren't welcome in our stores. by the way, we have a sale on ammo."

When I go to visit my dad in Dayton, we are forced to go to Wal-Mart to buy a 1 day range pass, because it's the only place around that sells them. I can assure you that is the only reason I will enter a wal-mart again.

I say we put the same heat on these ingrateful fsckers that was placed on Kmart. If they don't want armed folks in their store, that's their prerogative, just as it is ours not to shop there.

Any St. Pete's readers on TFL who have CCW? A letter to the Editor might be approriate.

WalMart Customer Service:
1-800-966-6546
7am-11pm CST Monday-Saturday
[url="http://www.walmart.com/estor...MW_&BV_EngineID=dealhlehggggbejfcfkjcfnmdkf.0"]http://www.walmart.com/estore/pages/pg_cs2.jsp?BV_SessionID=_WM_1894660614.0959262123_MW_&BV_EngineID=dealhlehggggbejfcfkjcfnmdkf.0[/url][/url]
 
The funny thing is that did we TFL's defend Wal-MArt a couple of weeks ago on Rosie's website because the still sold guns? I think this spokesman is ill advised to make any preference one way or another.

I am writing Wal-Mart.

The following is a quote from a Florida newspaper regarding a citizen breaking up an armed robbery. She legally was carrying concealed.
"We want to keep our stores a pleasant place to shop, so we would never encourage our customers to arm themselves," said Wal-Mart spokesman Tom Williams.

This is a slap in the face to all of us who have pledged our allegiance to Wal-Mart because it does support the Right to Bear Arms. We have defended openly Wal-Mart's position on selling firearms support it fully to anti's who threaten boycotts. It is not very pleasant to hear a store "spokesman" personal disapproval of the situation, when more probably than not, the armed citizen bought her bullets in that store.


[This message has been edited by hube1236 (edited May 25, 2000).]
 
**** When the average person is more afraid of a citizen interrupting a violent crime with a legal gun, than they are of a violent criminal slashing around with a knife, then the HCI et al. media PR machine has done it's job well, and we have failed. RH
 
anyone that would be scared in this situation is telling the truth.i would be scared of both the knife guy and the grandmother.would i freak out after all the stuff was sorted out if who is who?no of course not.if i see you with a gun holding it on someone and i dont know you it gives me reason for concern.who are you?what are you doing?do you have the awarness to keep you finger off the trigger?are you going to freak out and start shooting everyone in sight.?laugh if you will but a trained police officer in the local area did that several years ago.she pulled up on a armed robbery in progress and shot the suspect coming out of the bussiness.she was aparently so impressed with her results that she continued to shoot everyone who came out of the door.one was a grandmother of 3 and the other one was the shop owner.neither one had a gun and the shop owner came out with his hands in the air.just goes to show you why not everyone should carry a gun.
 
IMHO we need to start a letter writing campaign here...to WalMart, urging them to censure the person who made the statement, to the Sheriff's Dept, urging them to apologize for their comments and to the newspaper, blasting them for their highly slanted coverage.
Oh, and we might want to start some kind of reward fund for the lady, as well...
Just an idea. Better to light one candle than to curse the darkness.
 
Maybe I missed something. I don't feel the article was slanted against us at all. I see the NRA statement as just a tie-in to the non-political aspect of it.

The reporter DID write SEMIautomatic when she could have put the "automatic" spin on it.

I have major heartburn with the other idiots in the article, but not with the reporter's coverage of it, for she just repeated what these people told her.

Are we killing the messenger here?

Maybe it's all in the eye of the beholder.
 
What the not in the NRA really says is: There are a ****load of people that don't get involved (yet) in politics - even to the point of joining the NRA. The message is clear that an even greater portion of the public than our antagonists would admit routinely avail themselves of their right to keep and bear arms.....
 
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