Florida SB 254
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Aguila Blanca
Staff
New York SAFE Act, revisited.
It's a cancer, and it's spreading.
It's a cancer, and it's spreading.
carguychris
New member
Does it have many sponsors or co-sponsors?Don P said:
These sorts of bills pop up periodically in almost every state. Their sponsorship status will often tell you their relative chances of success. (FWIW this is particularly true in TX where I live, as the legislative process places strong emphasis on committees; hence, the absence of any powerful committee members on the sponsorship list often tells you that the bill will never get a floor vote.)
Another bill that has surfaced,
I have been tracking the legislature here in FLA since 2013 and this is the first time I have seen any bills being filed with regards to AR 's or magazine limitations. Here is the link to the bill itself.
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0167
I have been tracking the legislature here in FLA since 2013 and this is the first time I have seen any bills being filed with regards to AR 's or magazine limitations. Here is the link to the bill itself.
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0167
Well, that is one of the most comprehensive wish lists I have seen in a long time.
I note a few additions to the usual list, this one actually includes real assault rifles (select fire), which have been regulated under Federal law since 1934 (before actual assault rifles existed, but covered because the select fire capacity makes them machineguns).
Semi auto handguns over 50oz empty, say goodbye to the Desert Eagle!
Goodbye to any pistol with a threaded barrel
Defines high capacity magazine as more than 7 (seven) rounds!!! (goodbye to ALL 9mm mags, all 8rnd 1911A1 mags, etc (unless permanently blocked to 7rnds).
In one way or another the list covers about every semi auto firearm I can think of, and this alone
Covers a huge amount of firearms.
also no thumbhole stocks, FIXED magazines holding more than 5 (FIVE) rounds (shotgun).
Just FYI, the actions of the Streetsweeper and Striker 12 are essentially the same as a DA revolver. The "drum magazine" of these guns is not a drum, it is actually a cylinder, just like your S&W, Colt, Ruger, etc revolvers.
After they take the semis, this will be the (by then, long established) law that lets them take our revolvers too, when they get around to it.
Oh, and that old M16 pistolgrip that has been floating around in your junk drawer for decades? Under this law, possession of it (Without even have a gun it fits on) would be a FELONY!!!! (2 years min)
and, OF COURSE, the POLICE and other government agencies are exempted...
(but only in the course of their official duties, you understand....)
I wonder if any of the sponsors have been appraised of the cost to the state that turning a few MILLION of their citizens into felons overnight would be???
I note a few additions to the usual list, this one actually includes real assault rifles (select fire), which have been regulated under Federal law since 1934 (before actual assault rifles existed, but covered because the select fire capacity makes them machineguns).
Semi auto handguns over 50oz empty, say goodbye to the Desert Eagle!
Goodbye to any pistol with a threaded barrel
Defines high capacity magazine as more than 7 (seven) rounds!!! (goodbye to ALL 9mm mags, all 8rnd 1911A1 mags, etc (unless permanently blocked to 7rnds).
In one way or another the list covers about every semi auto firearm I can think of, and this alone
Covers a huge amount of firearms.
also no thumbhole stocks, FIXED magazines holding more than 5 (FIVE) rounds (shotgun).
Just FYI, the actions of the Streetsweeper and Striker 12 are essentially the same as a DA revolver. The "drum magazine" of these guns is not a drum, it is actually a cylinder, just like your S&W, Colt, Ruger, etc revolvers.
After they take the semis, this will be the (by then, long established) law that lets them take our revolvers too, when they get around to it.
Oh, and that old M16 pistolgrip that has been floating around in your junk drawer for decades? Under this law, possession of it (Without even have a gun it fits on) would be a FELONY!!!! (2 years min)
and, OF COURSE, the POLICE and other government agencies are exempted...
(but only in the course of their official duties, you understand....)
I wonder if any of the sponsors have been appraised of the cost to the state that turning a few MILLION of their citizens into felons overnight would be???
Aguila Blanca
Staff
As you can see from the post following yours -- anything they choose to say it is.cptjack said:
Look at the history of the federal AWB. It expired in 2004 but several states had cloned the language and retained it in state law. As I posted a few days ago, I know people in Connecticut who owned "post-ban" configuration AR-15s. These were perfectly legal under both federal and Connecticut law. They were configured such that they didn't have enough "evil" features to be classified as "assault weapons."
And then Sandy Hook happened, and Connecticut revised its assault weapon definition. Instead of allowing two evil features (typically a pistol grip and a removable magazine) they changed it to allowing only ONE "evil" feature. So all those previously-legal, non-assault AR-15s became "assault weapons" with the stroke of the governor's pen, and they had to either register them with the state police or dispose of them out of state.
The Florida definition mirrors the new definition used in Connecticut (and, I think, in the NY SAFE Act). Under this new definition, anything with a detachable magazine and even ONE other "evil" feature (usually the pistol grip) becomes an "assault weapon."
Yes it is.
Unfortunately true.
I looked into the 2 members of our legislature that are involved with both bills I posted about.
Both are members of the Democratic party, one is from Orange County ( Pulse Night Club) Senator Linda Stewart
and the other is from Broward County
Linda Stewart introduced the bill and Farmer was a co-introduce of it and the House bill about magazines was introduced by Carlos Guillermo Smith from district 49 which is in orange county (Orlando) . Both bills introduced the same day and has to be revolving around the Pulse Night Club shooting and as usual the folks that were elected HAVE TO DO SOMETHING whether it be right or wrong. Knee jerk reaction as usual and we all know if enacted will solve nothing. This should not get out of committee.
One co- sponsor.
2ndsojourn
New member
SB 254: Gun Safety.....
So, where's the safety part of this proposed bill?
So, where's the safety part of this proposed bill?
When you are a far, far left loony, this make perfect sense to you with regards to gun safety. From what I see reading the firearm related bills being introduced for the 2017 Florida State legislative session, all are introduced by Democrats. I'm not trying to start the us verse's them with this statement. It is just plain fact. I am hoping that none of the negative firearm related bills gain any traction. SB-254 has come about because of the Pulse Night club shooting.
Aguila Blanca
Staff
Of course. And it conveniently overlooks the fact that, as a licensed security officer, the Pulse shooter would probably be exempt from the law anyway. Or he would just get his weapons and ammo on the black market.
A bill like this has very little chance of success in the current FL legislature.
Other efforts with high likely hood of passing FL legislature are increasing carry options and removing many restricted areas, such as government buildings. I heard the Governor wants to allow open carry, carry in schools and government buildings, and a few other tweaks to FL 790.
In other news, Tallahassee city is being sued because of the preemption clause in FL 790. Florida law prohibits counties, towns, and other municipalities from regulating firearms. The penalty for trying to regulate includes removal from office and either a fine or jail.
Tallahassee has an old law (circa 1950s) that prohibits firing a firearm in a public park. Two gun rights groups sued them to remove the law. Other similar law suits have been successful, and there is no reason to believe the Mayor will win this one.
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Other efforts with high likely hood of passing FL legislature are increasing carry options and removing many restricted areas, such as government buildings. I heard the Governor wants to allow open carry, carry in schools and government buildings, and a few other tweaks to FL 790.
In other news, Tallahassee city is being sued because of the preemption clause in FL 790. Florida law prohibits counties, towns, and other municipalities from regulating firearms. The penalty for trying to regulate includes removal from office and either a fine or jail.
Tallahassee has an old law (circa 1950s) that prohibits firing a firearm in a public park. Two gun rights groups sued them to remove the law. Other similar law suits have been successful, and there is no reason to believe the Mayor will win this one.
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Florida CS/SB 128 Self Defense Immunity
They are making progress with this bill which moves the burden of proof for a self defense claim from the individual to the state.
The link to the bill, http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0128
This is the link to the Bill analysis from the Judiciary Post meeting, http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0128/Analyses/2017s0128.ju.PDF
They are making progress with this bill which moves the burden of proof for a self defense claim from the individual to the state.
The link to the bill, http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0128
This is the link to the Bill analysis from the Judiciary Post meeting, http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2017/0128/Analyses/2017s0128.ju.PDF
ShootistPRS
New member
We, in Washington state, have just had a similar bill introduced for the second time. I have already written to my congress critters and the committee members involved that we want to see this and two other bills in the trash as fast as possible.