The Special JointSelect Committee of the Florida State Legislature has just voted to convene a special legislation of the legislature to select a slate of electors prior to December 12 if lawsuits delay the official certfied state electors from being submitted. This is neccesary to prevent the possibility of Florida's 25 electoral votes from being lost. Sinc the Republicans are the majority in both houses, this would be a slate ofpro-Bush electors. Gov. Jeb Bush has already stated that he will sign the bil if it is passed by the legislature.
Florida Legislature to Convene Special Session to Appoint Electors
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Will Beararms
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At the same time, Democratic Lawyers are petitioning the U.S. Supreme Court to PREVENT the Florida Legislature from being able to exercise this Constitutional right.
Folks, Gore is going to try to run this into the ground. We as Republicans need to hang in there. If it means destroying the government we no have, so be it. It's now or never and if the Dem's succeed it's over. We might as well get it on now.
Folks, Gore is going to try to run this into the ground. We as Republicans need to hang in there. If it means destroying the government we no have, so be it. It's now or never and if the Dem's succeed it's over. We might as well get it on now.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
HardBall-
Thanks for characterizing this action properly. Many think the Legislature is trying to elect it's own Electors, period. They fail to realize that this action is only in the event that the Court action threatens to effectively disenfranchise all Florida voters. I give these Legislators high marks for courage: the media isn't interested in reporting the "only in the event" portion of this.
Will-
Rich
Thanks for characterizing this action properly. Many think the Legislature is trying to elect it's own Electors, period. They fail to realize that this action is only in the event that the Court action threatens to effectively disenfranchise all Florida voters. I give these Legislators high marks for courage: the media isn't interested in reporting the "only in the event" portion of this.
Will-
Interesting statement to make when our side is winning one Constitutional step at a time. More interesting that even your email addy is blocked, Will. But don't hold back. Tell us exactly what you have in mind. Now is not the time for sound byte and rhetoric. C'mon, spell it out.
Rich
The Democrats are already spinning it. Lieberman is talking about this move being unconstitutional. For crying out loud, I'm not an attorney, nor a Senator, but I know the Constitutional process on this one. Surely old Joe knows it, too. The $64,000 question is whether the media will enlighten the public as to the provisions in the Constitution for this, or let the spin continue.
Democrats.
Dick
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Dick
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Jeff Thomas
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Actually, Will ...
If the Democrats somehow succeeded in all of this foolishness, then I'd offer that we no longer have a legal country anyway. That is, if the courts somehow tossed out the existing constitutional processes as requested by the Democrats, then that would indicate to me that we're just going through the motions of living under laws, not men.
But, I'll wager big money that we're simply seeing the last painful gasps of rhetoric from those hypocrits we love to hate ... DemocRats.
Rich was dead right on this one. I'm embarrassed that I gave the Republicans so little credit in this fight early on. I expected them to fold long ago, and never even realize they were in a street fight. I have more respect for them now. And, we should all be thankful that Rich Lucibella is the 'father' of TFL. Wise man.
Regards from AZ
If the Democrats somehow succeeded in all of this foolishness, then I'd offer that we no longer have a legal country anyway. That is, if the courts somehow tossed out the existing constitutional processes as requested by the Democrats, then that would indicate to me that we're just going through the motions of living under laws, not men.
But, I'll wager big money that we're simply seeing the last painful gasps of rhetoric from those hypocrits we love to hate ... DemocRats.
Rich was dead right on this one. I'm embarrassed that I gave the Republicans so little credit in this fight early on. I expected them to fold long ago, and never even realize they were in a street fight. I have more respect for them now. And, we should all be thankful that Rich Lucibella is the 'father' of TFL. Wise man.
Regards from AZ
Rich Lucibella
Staff
Monkeyleg-
Actually, there seems to be a disagreement by Constitutional scholars on this one. Some say the Florida legislature can only act in the event that an election has not been certified. I wish someone could give me a cite on this.
But your point is right on target. Liar-Man pretends there's absolutely no basis for it....meantime, if his boy gets his way, a Court might decertify our State's election, just in time for all the Electors (minus Florida) to make the victory trip to DC.
Most likely scenario for this, IMHO:
A Democratic Judge in Seminole County, blocked by Jeb for promotion just weeks ago, who refused to recuse herself as so many Rebublican Judges have in Dade, Broward and Palm Beach, throws out 8,000 absentee ballots...on a hypertechnicality.....with a toothy grin. Florida's Democratic Supreme Court, in emergency hearing, upholds the ruling....with a toothy grin. The US Supremes refuse to take the case (likely) based on the fact that it is reasonable interpretation of a State Law and out of their purview. (Remember, they don't judge in a vaccuum on this. It takes a very high standard to overturn a lower Court's ruling.)
Rich
Actually, there seems to be a disagreement by Constitutional scholars on this one. Some say the Florida legislature can only act in the event that an election has not been certified. I wish someone could give me a cite on this.
But your point is right on target. Liar-Man pretends there's absolutely no basis for it....meantime, if his boy gets his way, a Court might decertify our State's election, just in time for all the Electors (minus Florida) to make the victory trip to DC.
Most likely scenario for this, IMHO:
A Democratic Judge in Seminole County, blocked by Jeb for promotion just weeks ago, who refused to recuse herself as so many Rebublican Judges have in Dade, Broward and Palm Beach, throws out 8,000 absentee ballots...on a hypertechnicality.....with a toothy grin. Florida's Democratic Supreme Court, in emergency hearing, upholds the ruling....with a toothy grin. The US Supremes refuse to take the case (likely) based on the fact that it is reasonable interpretation of a State Law and out of their purview. (Remember, they don't judge in a vaccuum on this. It takes a very high standard to overturn a lower Court's ruling.)
Rich