First time at the range with the Carbon-15

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branrot

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So I called around to make sure I could shoot the .223 Carbon 15 pistol at the local (Miami-Dade and Broward Counties, FL) ranges. Big Al's said no, but Outdoor World said "sure".

I get to Outdoor World (after a 40 minute drive) and they say I can't shoot it because it's an "assault weapon". I explained that the guy on the phone said it was ok, but they said that they only condone weapons for sport and hunting, but not for other purposes. They sell guns, but only hunting and target weapons (ie, riftles, shotguns, .22's and .44 mag revolvers). They said mine was an assault weapon because of the muzzle break. So I took it off, and they still had a problem with it because it had a 30 round clip. I said my Beretta (which was ok to shoot there according to them) had a 15 round clip, and they explained to me that having more than 10 rounds was illegal. Fortunately, someone else at the store corrected them.

I was outraged by the whole matter. Talk about hypocrites! It's ok to buy a gun to hunt or target shoot, but not for self-defense. I doubt I'll shoot there again.
 
That is mild treatment compared to what a prosecutor would try to do to you, or me, when the Carbon 15 is used in self-defense.
 
You cannot be trusted with Evil assault weapons. Just like the Chinese students cannot be trusted with AK47s. If you own firearms, how can the government repress you?
 
You should tell them something like, "When these are completely banned, I'll fight like hell to get hunting prohibited!" Even if you don't mean it, and I certainly don't, maybe it will make them think for a minute. I can't believe they'd be that short sighted in the first place.
 
They should have been glad to let you shoot it there. They shouldnt try to stop someone from perfectly legal, target shooting. Bad for them, they loose the $40 bucks they would get.

[This message has been edited by MrBlonde (edited May 28, 2000).]
 
It isn't an assault weapon. That is why they are still manufactured!!! The manufacture of semiautomatic assault weapons was banned in 1994. Your pistol get by because it weighs less than 50 oz.
 
The Carbon 15 IS an Assault Weapon in the PRC. I just inquired about one, no dice since it is a handgun that has a magazine outside the pistol grip.

Every single one of my handguns, that has a threaded barrel, is also a Assault Weapon. Oh my, I think that EVERY SINGLE firearm I own now is an assault weapon. Oh wait, I think that my Mossburg 500 that I bought from K-Mart for $100.00 (on sale) back in 83 is still ok.

I better pick up a Benelli m3 before they outlaw that based on too fast cycle rates.....
 
Actually, I'm a criminal defense lawyer. Thus, prosecutors don't bother me that much. Most are pretty reasonable when it comes to self-defense. They usually look more to what the victim was doing and whether the shooter was reasonably in fear than the type of gun used. Generally, the biggest issue with self-defense and guns is the number of shots fired.

Also, as a criminal defense lawyer, I did take the opportunity to explain to them what an assault weapon was. As my learned colleage Jeff OTMG suggested above, I explained the post-94 issue, the pistol issue, the hi-cap clip issue, and the 50 ounce weight issue. It was less of a legal issue with them as a "we don't condone that type of thing" issue. Keep in mind that they also had a S&W 5906 in the drawer.

Finally, no. I'm bitter. I paid all this money for this awesome gun and still haven't shot it yet. I know of an outdoor range near the everglades I can shoot it at, and I think I know of an indoor range that allows .223, but it's a drive too. But as soon as I get around to it, I'll let you all know how it went.
 
Send it out here to AZ, for "repair," i.e., break-in. I will wring it out by putting a couple hundred rounds through it, and give you a complete report when I send it back.

All for a reasonable fee of course . . . ;)
 
Not sure were you live but I assume you are talking about the trail glades shooting range-I live about five miles from it , (I live next to FIU). Also real close to that range is an indoor range called "Aces." Its kind of a hidden store/with range, nice clean facilities by the International Mall off of 107th. They actually sell the pistol you are talking about there so I can only assume they'd let you shoot it there.

Funny how Florida is such a liberal state when it comes to CCW but it is hard to find a decent range!!! (Aces is a good range in my book).

Good luck.
 
Well, I finally made it to Ace's range. I called in advance! I knew I was ok when I got there (I hadn't been in a while) and they had pre-ban AK-47's with bayonets and FN-FAL's hanging above the counter. They even had a Carbon-15 in the case (though a type 20). Anyway, they let me shoot my Carbon-15 after making sure my ammo wasn't steel cored.

I went through about 150-200 rounds. I did have a few failures to feed where the round failed to come out of the magazine fully and go into the chamber. A quick pull on the T-bar fixed it each of the 3-4 times.

My biggest disconcertion was one round that fired, but failed to be pulled out by the extractor. The round was stuck in the chamber, and we needed to pull apart the gun to get it out.

Keeping in mind that the gun had not had any break in yet, I was satisfied.

Oh, did you want to know how it shot???

It's bad @ss!!! Sound and muzzle flash are about on par with a Desert Eagle .50, but you don't have to stop after 7-8 rounds. Makes everyone at the range stop what they are doing to see what you are firing. It's fairly accurate, about on par with a service pistol I'd say. The sights are ghost ring (I think that's what they're called), and while they are easy to acquire, they are not particularly accurate. I had planned to add a laser eventually.

Is it a must have part of the collection? No. But make sure you know someone who has one that will let you fire it, because it's one heck of a ride!!!
 
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