Well I shoot like crap but I'm going to chalk that up to the guy helping me sight in saying my scope was mounted wrong. But I had a blast my Mossberg Patriot in .270 win is fun to shoot recoil was not a problem and I was shooting 130g hunting loads went thru 3 boxes of ammo and my shoulder feels great even with the factory recoil pad and a thin jacket. Going to have the scope mounting checked out and head out again and maybe this time i'll hit paper.