First range session with hand loads- questions

Dustyn19

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Hey guys/gals, today was my first range session using both the 9mm and 45ACP loads that I made up. (First time ever reloading)
First up - the 9mm loads. I was using 124gr FMJ RN with 4.6gr of VV N340 sized to approx 1.142". These rounds cycled and fired flawlessly from a gen 4 glock, a sig 226 and a Shadow with nice accuracy overall. My questions regarding this load is how much soot is supposed to be in the case after firing? I read a range report on this forum where the OP was talking about loads being "sooty" and as he increased the powder charged they began to fire "cleanly". All my cases seemed to be slightly dirtier than the factory loads that I used in comparison. Second question - when I was seating the bullets I could not get a consistent measurement. Ranges were 1.130-1.145 with majority being from 1.138-1.142. I figure it out to be where the seating stem was contacting the bullet on the ogive and not the bullet tip. I do not have a stem that will seat from the bullet tip though. Will the variance be acceptable as long as the seating by ogive is the constant vs the actual OAL from base to tip?
Next were the 45ACP fired from a sig 220 scorpion. Using a 230gr TMJ RN with 5.6gr of N340 at an OAL of 1.245". I had to adjust the OAL from the load Datas suggestion of 1.260" as they would not chamber correctly. These rounds fired excellently and were extremely accurate...with the exception of 4 rounds. They got stuck in the chamber and the gun would not come into full battery. It required an exceptional amount of force to rack the slide to eject the round. I put all 4 aside and brought them home to check out. They measured approx 1.247-1.249 and barely failed the chamber check. I pressed them down to 1.245 and they chambered fine - except the rounds would not freely spin in the chamber (something I hadn't checked with the other rounds either). So I crunched them down to 1.240 and they seemed to fit perfect, plunked right in and spun without force. My question is whether It is ok to drop my next loads down to an OAL of 1.240 to eliminate the chamber issue, and if I do, can I leave the powder charge alone since my previous loads showed zero signs of excessive pressure.

Sorry for the long post - I appreciate any feedback and assistance you can give!
 
On your 9mm. Your c.o.l. variant is on the wide side in my experience. I normally get up to about 5 thousands variance. Make sure your die is set so the ram juuuust bottoms on the bottom of the die. If that is set correctly it could just be that yoir bullets ogive varies a tad from bullet to bullet.

What bullets are you using?

Sootiness will clean up a bit as pressure climbs. (You should see how dirty cases come out with subsonic rifle!) The case will swell more creating a better seat on the chamber plus combustion gets more thorough. I have found though that reloading pretty much always results in dirtier than factory cases. No biggie to me.

On your 4 45 case. Look for burrs on the case rim?
 
My questions regarding this load is how much soot is supposed to be in the case after firing?

They will likely clean up with more powder. The tumbler will clean it up enought to load. How much is to much is up to how much you can tolerate.

Second question - when I was seating the bullets I could not get a consistent measurement. Ranges were 1.130-1.145 with majority being from 1.138-1.142.

You will not get perfection. Try checking a box of factory loads. You are just fine with +/- 0.005 and still OK with +/- 0.010 if your not close to max charge.

My question is whether It is ok to drop my next loads down to an OAL of 1.240 to eliminate the chamber issue, and if I do, can I leave the powder charge alone since my previous loads showed zero signs of excessive pressure.

The recommended minimum OAL is 1.225, so Yes, if your load is not max or real close to it.
 
Hey, thanks for the suggestions. I am using Canadian BDX bullets for the 9mm. When I examined the bullets I think it is definitely a variance in ogive causing my issue, as I have attempted to adjust the die a few times with no luck. Assuming it is in fact the ogive, do I just accept that variance, or is another way to get more consistent results without buying a new seating stem?
The 45 cases look ok to me. No sharp edges or burrs that I could detect.
 
54 Guns - thanks! I know the OAL to the ogive is consistent at least. Despite the COAL being off. I think what I might do is set my 45s in to the 1.240 mark and fire them off, then I will start to work up my loads until I see a cleaner case, or start to see worsening accuracy and/or pressure signs! I appreciate all the feedback - it def takes a lot of the stress out of the beginners like myself.
 
One of the best powders for the 9mm I have found is AS30N or Clays, it burns very clean even on low charges and has one of the best if not the best chrono results.
 
If your die is set correctly there isnt much to do short of adjusting for each round which would involve pressing, measure, adjust, measure, adjust. Id say run em, try a different bullet manufacturer to see if you COAL becomes more consistent.
 
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