The media has forgotten, or chooses to ignore, that Barry Goldwater was the GOP presidential nominee in, I think, 1964. Barry Goldwater was a Jew. The democrats have said, over and over and over, that those who would vote against Leiberman because of his race would do so anyway. Does that mean that those who voted against Barry Goldwater were racists?
First Jew on national ticket?
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The Goldwater family converted to a Protestant faith. So he wasn't Jewish.
Also, the Democrats haven't said that. People have said if you vote against him BECAUSE of his religion then you a racist. That's a reasonable point.
Finally, this is a thread that smells a touch.
Perhaps, the moderators should follow it for trollish motivations.
Also, the Democrats haven't said that. People have said if you vote against him BECAUSE of his religion then you a racist. That's a reasonable point.
Finally, this is a thread that smells a touch.
Perhaps, the moderators should follow it for trollish motivations.
Most of the people who I know that are going to specifically vote against Gore because of Lieberman ARE Jews. Jews don't like Lieberman so far as I can tell. Maybe it's just around here that they have some sense 
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I, for one, will be trying to get the local Jews to understand that Lieberman is closer to the "judenraut" of the ghetto than to anything good. Will likely fail, too...at least my parents and I are not going for "racial/religious solidarity". My idea of a good Jew is Uziel Gal.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnochGale:
The Goldwater family converted to a Protestant faith. So he wasn't Jewish.
Also, the Democrats haven't said that. People have said if you vote against him BECAUSE of his religion then you a racist. That's a reasonable point.
Finally, this is a thread that smells a touch.
Perhaps, the moderators should follow it for trollish motivations.[/quote]
Barry Goldwater could no more stop being a Jew than I can stop being Scotch-Irish. We can worship in any manner we wish but that does not change our origins.
I made my point poorly. The DEMRADS (democrat-liberal-socialist-left wing radicals) attempted to demonize GOP voters and I just wanted to toss a little back.
The Goldwater family converted to a Protestant faith. So he wasn't Jewish.
Also, the Democrats haven't said that. People have said if you vote against him BECAUSE of his religion then you a racist. That's a reasonable point.
Finally, this is a thread that smells a touch.
Perhaps, the moderators should follow it for trollish motivations.[/quote]
Barry Goldwater could no more stop being a Jew than I can stop being Scotch-Irish. We can worship in any manner we wish but that does not change our origins.
I made my point poorly. The DEMRADS (democrat-liberal-socialist-left wing radicals) attempted to demonize GOP voters and I just wanted to toss a little back.
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You have to be there when it's all over. Otherwise you can't say "I told you so."
Better days to be,
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And where is all the media hoopla over Buchanan choosing a black woman for his running mate? It doesn't matter that he doesn't have a snowball's chance of winning!
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Troll horsepoop, Regnav. You buy a racial identity to a religion.
Would you claim a Catholic who became a member of the Anglican Church is still a Catholic?
I repeat that you have motives that are inappropriate for this list.
Also, you are an American. So is Lieberman.
He worships as a Jew.
Bah.
Would you claim a Catholic who became a member of the Anglican Church is still a Catholic?
I repeat that you have motives that are inappropriate for this list.
Also, you are an American. So is Lieberman.
He worships as a Jew.
Bah.
I thought it was Barry Goldwater's grandfather who was Jewish. And at any rate who cares? I could care less what a person's religion happens to be, so long as it isn't something pagan like Satanism. The Democracts assisted by the media are making a big deal about religion in this eletion to take attention away from important issues.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnochGale:
Troll horsepoop, Regnav. You buy a racial identity to a religion.
Would you claim a Catholic who became a member of the Anglican Church is still a Catholic?
I repeat that you have motives that are inappropriate for this list.
Also, you are an American. So is Lieberman.
He worships as a Jew.
Bah.[/quote]
No, he wouldn't still be a Catholic. However, if a German, for example, immigrates to America and becomes and American citizen he is still a German and nothing can change that. He has changed his political allegiance just as the Goldwaters changed their religious allegiance.<br>
<b>"I repeat that you have motives that are inappropriate for this list."</b><br>
Your attempt to alter my intent smacks of a James Carville tactic. One of the nice things about these forums (in the view of those such as yourself who make personal attacks) is the anonymity which protects from retribution. I note in your profile you fail to provide an e-mail address or any information which might identify you.<br>
The DEMRADS, and their allies in the liberal media have not said, "first person of the Jewish faith." They have said, "the first Jew."<br>
My name is Ed Williamson and you can reach me at efw@vic.com. I can cover the ground I stand on. How 'bout you EnochGale?
Troll horsepoop, Regnav. You buy a racial identity to a religion.
Would you claim a Catholic who became a member of the Anglican Church is still a Catholic?
I repeat that you have motives that are inappropriate for this list.
Also, you are an American. So is Lieberman.
He worships as a Jew.
Bah.[/quote]
No, he wouldn't still be a Catholic. However, if a German, for example, immigrates to America and becomes and American citizen he is still a German and nothing can change that. He has changed his political allegiance just as the Goldwaters changed their religious allegiance.<br>
<b>"I repeat that you have motives that are inappropriate for this list."</b><br>
Your attempt to alter my intent smacks of a James Carville tactic. One of the nice things about these forums (in the view of those such as yourself who make personal attacks) is the anonymity which protects from retribution. I note in your profile you fail to provide an e-mail address or any information which might identify you.<br>
The DEMRADS, and their allies in the liberal media have not said, "first person of the Jewish faith." They have said, "the first Jew."<br>
My name is Ed Williamson and you can reach me at efw@vic.com. I can cover the ground I stand on. How 'bout you EnochGale?
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EnochGale:
Deal with my arguments, Ed.
You claim a person who converts to Christianity is still a Jew.
What is the basis of that argument?
And why are you interested in retribution?[/quote]
What part of "However, if a German,for example, immigrates to America and becomes an American citizen he is still a German and nothing can change that. He has changed his political allegiance just as the Goldwaters changed their religious allegiance."
Not interested in retribution and did not say I was. I commented on your attack on my motives while you hid behind a screen name.
Deal with my arguments, Ed.
You claim a person who converts to Christianity is still a Jew.
What is the basis of that argument?
And why are you interested in retribution?[/quote]
What part of "However, if a German,for example, immigrates to America and becomes an American citizen he is still a German and nothing can change that. He has changed his political allegiance just as the Goldwaters changed their religious allegiance."
Not interested in retribution and did not say I was. I commented on your attack on my motives while you hid behind a screen name.
Enoch,
Jew does not just apply to someone of Jewish religion. Jew also applies to an ethnicity, which means a person religiously can no longer be a Jew but still be a Jew genetically.
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Jew does not just apply to someone of Jewish religion. Jew also applies to an ethnicity, which means a person religiously can no longer be a Jew but still be a Jew genetically.
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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist
The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
Gentically? What, is there a Jew gene that was recently discovered? Ethnicity is language, culture, individual and group identification, it is not race, which is an entirely different topic. There's no such thing as one Jewish ethnic group. There are at least six different Jewish ethnic groups: East European, Chinese, Middle Eastern, Spanish and Portuguese, North American, and Ethiopian. There's absolutely no physical similarity between Chinese, Spanish and Ethiopian Jews. So where's the Jewish genetic makeup among these different people? Judaism is a complex religion and culture that's followed by people from very different groups. If someone decides to change that religion and culture they can.
If a German moves to the US, becomes a US citizen, lives here, and sees himself as an American, he is an American.
regnav,
I find your threat out of place in this board. Can you not discuss something without threatening violence?
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If a German moves to the US, becomes a US citizen, lives here, and sees himself as an American, he is an American.
regnav,
I find your threat out of place in this board. Can you not discuss something without threatening violence?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>What, is there a Jew gene that was recently discovered?[/quote]
Not any one gene no, but many, yes. Jews have historically tended to marry other Jews, and so over time that has led to a rather distinctive look, sound, and structure of the Jewish body. They tend to have lighter skin, but darker eyes and hair, and whatnot. They are distinctive for the most part. Why is that so unbelievable. Most Irish people I know look Irish.
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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist
The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
Not any one gene no, but many, yes. Jews have historically tended to marry other Jews, and so over time that has led to a rather distinctive look, sound, and structure of the Jewish body. They tend to have lighter skin, but darker eyes and hair, and whatnot. They are distinctive for the most part. Why is that so unbelievable. Most Irish people I know look Irish.
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The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
Ed Brunner
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Maybe some are not clear on the religion/ethnicity similarities and differences. I guess it would be fair to say that almost all Isrealis are Jews and that most Jews are not Isrealis.
The lines are sometimes blurred as most Jews seem to suppory Isreali culture and politics.
EnochGale; You said "Deal with my arguments, Ed" Was that meant for me or another Ed? I did not think that WE were arguing.
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The lines are sometimes blurred as most Jews seem to suppory Isreali culture and politics.
EnochGale; You said "Deal with my arguments, Ed" Was that meant for me or another Ed? I did not think that WE were arguing.
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Sorry, Ed Brunner.
Regnav said his name was Ed.
I stand by what I said and it is clear.
Interestingly, there are a small number of Chinese and Japanese Jews who look like
the populations of those countries.
Goldwater lost as he was painted by as an extremist. Remember the A-Bomb / girl ad?
Since I was alive at that time, I can assure you that no one discussed his supposed Jewishness. There was no religious feeding frenzy like there is today.
If you vote against Lieberman, do it for his ideas.
I'm done with this argument.
Regnav said his name was Ed.
I stand by what I said and it is clear.
Interestingly, there are a small number of Chinese and Japanese Jews who look like
the populations of those countries.
Goldwater lost as he was painted by as an extremist. Remember the A-Bomb / girl ad?
Since I was alive at that time, I can assure you that no one discussed his supposed Jewishness. There was no religious feeding frenzy like there is today.
If you vote against Lieberman, do it for his ideas.
I'm done with this argument.
Well Gentlemen, I don't care if they are white,black,yellow or green. Catholic,Jewish,Methodist or Luthern. If I don't like their politics and what they stand for and behind, I'm not voting for them. So I'm not voting for Gore and Leiberman because I don't like their Politics and I don't like what the Democrapic party is endorsing period...... And by the way which I'm embarassed to admit I am a registered Democrap,But that is going to have to change. Enough said,just my thoughts on the matter
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Art Eatman
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Well, my problem with Lieberman is that he could debate himself. Until now, he has publicly been for school vouchers and partial privatization of Social Insecurity. Apparently he has the Algore problem of not knowing exactly what he believes...
For that matter, when Cheney and Gore were both in Congress, they had parallel voting records.
And Gore/Lieberman own lots of stock in Occidental Petroleum.
But consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds...
, Art
For that matter, when Cheney and Gore were both in Congress, they had parallel voting records.
And Gore/Lieberman own lots of stock in Occidental Petroleum.
But consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds...
, Art