A generous TFLer let me try his 1187P.
Last weekend I fired five slugs through it just to see how much it kicked (1oz Federals). Doesn't kick much, certainly less than my 20ga Winchester 1300 pump with 3/4ox slugs does.
This weekend, I went to shoot trap. Hardly any recoil at all, feels like a single-shot .410. Shot 100 rounds and do not feel them at all: even an AR15 would have more kick to it. Rifle sights turned out to be very good for trap: I broke pretty much every single and almost all doubles. With 20ga I am only good for 90% of singles. Down side is that Federal 7 1/2 trap loads didn't cycle properly 20% of the time: I got either stovepipes or the bolt locked back with ammo still in the magazine. Didn't matter much as to how I held the gun. I did not have other ammo types (AA trap, for instance) to see if that would have made any difference.
Good sides: hardly any recoil, good sights, comfortable mount and balance. Magazine holds sever 2 3/4" shells.
Bad sides: bolt carrier handle too small and badly shaped (fixable). Not reliable with light loads: not my gun so I am not sure as to why.
Other: weird manual of arms, though simpler by far than a Benelli M1 or Beretta 1201. The bolt release is built into the shell lifter so there's no way to load the magazine with the bolt open. OTOH, it is possible to load one in the chamber and then to start loading the mag: the first round into the tube also closes the bolt. The strong magazine spring makes loading in weird positions a bit tought, esp. as the shell must depress the slide release botton on the shell lifter in order to be loaded. Manual of arms is sensible but not similar to rifles (i.e. pulling the bolt handle back and releasing it does not close the bolt).
At least with trap shells, the gun hardly moves on recoil so I could fire very fast w/o losing my sight picture. It was MUCH faster than a Remington 11 (long recoil type). Can't compare it to the Benelle for speed but the ergonomics are more to my taste.
I like the gun and would forgo the ghost rings as the rifle sights are surprisingly good. For trap, the rear sight disappears and only the front sight registers at all.
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Oleg "peacemonger" Volk
http://www.a-human-right.com
http://www.olegvolk.net
Last weekend I fired five slugs through it just to see how much it kicked (1oz Federals). Doesn't kick much, certainly less than my 20ga Winchester 1300 pump with 3/4ox slugs does.
This weekend, I went to shoot trap. Hardly any recoil at all, feels like a single-shot .410. Shot 100 rounds and do not feel them at all: even an AR15 would have more kick to it. Rifle sights turned out to be very good for trap: I broke pretty much every single and almost all doubles. With 20ga I am only good for 90% of singles. Down side is that Federal 7 1/2 trap loads didn't cycle properly 20% of the time: I got either stovepipes or the bolt locked back with ammo still in the magazine. Didn't matter much as to how I held the gun. I did not have other ammo types (AA trap, for instance) to see if that would have made any difference.
Good sides: hardly any recoil, good sights, comfortable mount and balance. Magazine holds sever 2 3/4" shells.
Bad sides: bolt carrier handle too small and badly shaped (fixable). Not reliable with light loads: not my gun so I am not sure as to why.
Other: weird manual of arms, though simpler by far than a Benelli M1 or Beretta 1201. The bolt release is built into the shell lifter so there's no way to load the magazine with the bolt open. OTOH, it is possible to load one in the chamber and then to start loading the mag: the first round into the tube also closes the bolt. The strong magazine spring makes loading in weird positions a bit tought, esp. as the shell must depress the slide release botton on the shell lifter in order to be loaded. Manual of arms is sensible but not similar to rifles (i.e. pulling the bolt handle back and releasing it does not close the bolt).
At least with trap shells, the gun hardly moves on recoil so I could fire very fast w/o losing my sight picture. It was MUCH faster than a Remington 11 (long recoil type). Can't compare it to the Benelle for speed but the ergonomics are more to my taste.
I like the gun and would forgo the ghost rings as the rifle sights are surprisingly good. For trap, the rear sight disappears and only the front sight registers at all.
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Oleg "peacemonger" Volk
http://www.a-human-right.com
http://www.olegvolk.net