First Democrat Victory in the War on Terror!

While sad that they voted against the JROTC program like this, but I don't see this is a Democrat victory. From reading the article it was the Board of Education's decision, because of the military's homosexual policy. Even the mayor of San Francisco did not like the outcome. If all the board members are liberal democrats, then maybe I can see it that way, but even then, its just the Board of Education, not the entire party itself. From this article, I'm not seeing that. -BamaXD
 
Perpetuating this 'n that

Redworm, opinions are like human hineys. everybody has one ! And eveyone doesn't agree as to what is a proper or improper lifestyle so we shall leave it at that.

Some folks have thought it would be apt if San Francisco carcked and fell into the Pacific Ocean and sank to the bottom, but alas, the ocean is only perhaps a half mile deep and Saint Andreas fault some two miles deep so we must assume that will not happen.

Now back to the War on Terror which isn't over yet.
 
This is the same city who refused having the USS Iowa as a museum because it was a weapon of war. While they said one reason was the homosexual policy, the city supervisor has called for the abolishment of the US military. So, this really isn't anything new at all.

I think SF is trying to become America's "Open City," much like Vichy Paris.
 
Yes. 30 days after the Middle East (including Israel) are left to fight with themselves rather than with us.
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Given that Israel will have to go nuclear to stay alive, I wonder how long it will be before the oil fields are capable of being worked outside of rad suits?
 
"Given that Israel will have to go nuclear to stay alive"

Israel didn't go nuke in 1967 or 1973 and did just dandy against larger and better armed foes than what they're facing today.
 
Redworm, opinions are like human hineys. everybody has one ! And eveyone doesn't agree as to what is a proper or improper lifestyle so we shall leave it at that.
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Agreed. And thus San Francisco schools shouldn't have to allow onto their grounds an organization that discriminates in such a manner.

Some believe that this means they shouldn't get federal funds and I agree. However I also think no schools should ever get federal funds and the DoE should be abolished immediately but I doubt that's ever going to happen.
 
Given that Israel will have to go nuclear to stay alive, I wonder how long it will be before the oil fields are capable of being worked outside of rad suits?
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Hmmm. Terra? Oil fields? Terra? Oil fields? Tough choice, eh?

All humor aside. Somehow, Israel (and the other states there) gotta get water out of the ground. That, it seems to me, takes energy (at least it does here in Broward, according to my electric bill, and it's only 6' down), and we all know what a joke nearly all sources of energy are compared to oil. And you are telling me Israel is going to light up the oil fields with neutrons?

Sounds like suicide to me.

Maybe, instead of "going nuclear" they'd all figure out how to make peace right quick.
 
Mike,

This is the first time that they will be facing an opponent with nuclear weapons. Back in the 60s-70s, Israel faced secular socialist Arab leaders, not Islamic fundamentalist lunatics.

invention_45,

Maybe, instead of "going nuclear" they'd all figure out how to make peace right quick.
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Sure, and while they are at it, they should unveil the 300mpg carburetor, unicorns and the location of Atlantis. Not going to happen. Too many nukes, too many nuts.
 
This is the first time that they will be facing an opponent with nuclear weapons. Back in the 60s-70s, Israel faced secular socialist Arab leaders, not Islamic fundamentalist lunatics.
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Too bad we didn't let them slug it out then.
 
Israel didn't go nuke in 1967 or 1973 and did just dandy against larger and better armed foes than what they're facing today.
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In '67, Israel preempted the Arabs by striking first. In '73, they came within a hairs breadth of losing. If they hadn't been able to hold that final line of defense, what would the final result have been? Would the Israelis of '73 have ever dreamed of giving up land in exchange for a peace they know is nonexistent?

As for the Arab militaries being larger and better armed than today, I seriously question that. I realize that certain Israel haters (not you, Mike) don't like to think about it as it disproves the idea that we are at Israel'd beck and call, but we've spent a lot of time and money building up Arab allies in terms of personnel and material. Their militaries are better equipped (Leopards, Abrams, Falcons, Eagles, in addition to Soviet gear), and many of their troops have had American training.

To top it off, Israel isn't able to throw the weight it once did. Some elements of the forces are still elite (pilots for example), but the rest seem to be suffering from the same malaise as the population. Military service is reportedly not seen as much of a civic responsibility as it was. Add to that the fact that much of the military is considered to be overrated, being better than the Arabs but
 
And you are telling me Israel is going to light up the oil fields with neutrons?

Sounds like suicide to me.
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"Never again" is still a motto to live by for quite a few in Israel. If they are going to die (and I don't think they will receive the same treatement Arab-Israelis receive), then better to take one's enemies with them. Both sides die, and your wish is fulfilled.
 
and your wish is fulfilled
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Israel haters
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Wouldn't it be convenient to paint those who want out of somebody else's morass as "israel haters" or, let's just say it, anti-semites.

And it would be possible to do just that sort of painting except for what I have said in a post either here or in another related thread.

First, move (using MY tax dollars) peace-loving citizens of that area, of whatever flavor, to a location of their choosing, using UN troops to ensure that that happens smoothly.

THEN, leave those who CHOOSE to remain behind to defend a desert to their own devices.

MY wish is that the warmongers on BOTH sides destroy each other, leaving the rest of us (and the rest of that region's plain old peaceful citizens) the hell alone.
 
Wouldn't it be convenient to paint those who want out of somebody else's morass as "israel haters" or, let's just say it, anti-semites.
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Never said you were an anti-semite. But continously foisting the idea that we are Israeli lackeys even when we force them to engage in self-destructive behavior such as the land for peace strategies, as well as claiming that Iraq was done at the behest of the Israelis indicates something based not on facts, but on prejudice. One can be prejudiced against a nation as much as against a religion.

Further, abandoning the Middle East would do what for us? As long as we need oil, we will need to maintain an interest in that area. And the fact that we have interests there is why Bin Laden's and his cronies come after us. We had troops in Saudi protecting both our interstets and those of the Arabs and Bin Laden hated us for being there. That hatred combined with his desire to see a reborn (world wide)Caliphate led him to come after us. His linking his terror to our support of Israel came long afterwards.

Besides, the declared intent of the fundamentalists is to kill Jews whereever they find them. Moving them to Oklahoma changes the target locale, not the target.
 
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