First day at the range – SIG 220-10 Nitron Elite

Ike666

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In a word, Wow. Just wow.

I picked up my new P220-10 this morning from my LGS and immediately took it to the range. My first impression is that it is a big gun and it is a heavy gun. For comparison purposes I also took along my Colt Delta Elite. I am relatively new to this cartridge having just acquired the Colt about 9 months ago, my first 10mm.

I am also relatively new to SIGs. Just over a year ago I got my first SIG, a P227. Foolishly, and for many years, in a kind of reverse snobbery I turned away from SIG pistols. I figured my 1911s could do anything I want them to do and just didn’t want to mess with the DA/SA action and learn a different manual of arms. Then came the P227 in .45 Auto and I decided to give it a whirl – it was love at first shot. I actually came to really enjoy mastering the DA/SA technique and since I’ve had it I’ve put about 3000 rounds down range with it. Having had a good experience with the 227, I finally got a P226 Nitron Elite. It has since supplanted my favorite 1911 as my house gun. In the winter it works as a carry gun in a Kramer horsehide holster.

So, when SIG announced the release of the 10mm in their time proven P220 platform, I knew I was going to get one. It has taken them awhile to get in the system and I asked my guy at the LGS to keep an eye out for one. I wasn’t sure at first which model I wanted and assumed I’d have to take first available. He called on Monday and said he had two, one in stainless and one in black and he’d put them under the counter for me. It wasn’t until this morning that I could get in and by then the stainless was gone. I was already leaning toward the Nitron Elite, the only thing I wasn’t sure about was the G10 grips. Unlike some, I really like the E3 grips on my 227 and 226. They have a really tacky texture and make the gun very easy to control and I wanted something similar. But, they are not available on the 220-10.

As it turns out, I really like the G10 grips on this pistol. They are certainly grippy enough. The sides are kind of rounded dimples and the back strap is given a more spikey texture. When this is combined with a checkered front strap the grip is just right. Looking the gun over, I next fell for the sights. I am not a fan of three-dot sights and prefer a blacked out rear sight (aging eyes). That’s exactly what the 220-10 has. It is a Bomar-style rear sight, with an ample notch and just the faintest of cross-hatching on the face. The front sight is a standard SigLite tritium dot.

After fondling it and admiring the fit and finish, I took it down. It was SigSimple to do this (think Jason Bourne and the Swiss policemen simple). The first thing I noticed was how stout the recoil spring was. It is wrapped wire coil and while I don’t know how many pounds it is, it took a little effort to remove it. With the recoil spring removed, the next thing I noticed was how tight the barrel fit was to the slide. No movement, no slop, just a real tight lock-up. I wiped the factory lube off, checked the barrel for obstructions and was ready to begin shooting.

I set up some IDPA targets at 7- and 15-yards and was ready to go. At the store I’d picked up a box of Sig Sauer Elite 180-grainers and a box of Buffalo Bore hardcast 220s. In my excitement to get to the range I failed to notice the BBs were just 20 to a box and at $32 each round was $1.60. Ouch! And why the big damn box anyway? I also brought along some of my own, using HAP 180 gr over 14.9 of AA #9 – a snappy load.

I started with the Sig ammo and loaded up two eight round magazines (the gun comes with two). First round down range and the first thing I notice is that POA is POI at 7 yards. Maybe it was a fluke. Fired 7 more and got one raged hole with one flyer (me – not the gun). Now I’m really impressed. The next thing I noticed is that this 180 moving at 1250 barely rocked the gun. I mean you know you’re shooting a 10, but the 220 just absorbs the recoil. Like I said, it is a heavy gun and in this case that is a good thing. Later I ran the same ammo in my Colt and got much longer double-tap split times, it just couldn’t eat up the recoil like the SIG. The last thing I noticed was the trigger. It has a slightly long take-up and breaks just a tad on the mushy side. This is a feel I’ve gotten used to in the other SIGs. It’s not bad, just a little bit squishier than I’d prefer. Later, I put it on the Lyman gauge and it averaged 5 pounds 13 ounces. So, just a tad under 6 pounds. The trigger is smooth with no creep or grittiness anywhere in the take up. I think the lever is long enough that it feels lighter than it really is.
I burned through the box of Sig ammo, the Buffalo Bore, and ample quantity of my handloads and was just grinning ear-to-ear. I’m really going to enjoy this pistol. I wish I hadn’t been so anxious to get to the range and taken the time to bring my chrono. Oh well, next time.

The target is my best group, off-hand, at 15 yards. The other picture is the new resident of my gun safe.


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Very nice write up. I'm with you, absolutely love the sig P series pistols. Also really love the da/sa manual of arms, I think sig makes some of the best da/sa pistols on the market imho. Congrats!!
 
The P220-10 Elite Nitron is an all black stainless in SAO. It has an ambi thumb safety on the lower receiver.

After playing with the trigger all night it's really more like a two-stage trigger. There's a longish take up then you can feel it engage and from there maybe 5# and it breaks. I think what I was calling squishy was the "stage one" take up.

I don't see it being like a 1911 trigger ever, the design is too different. But with enough practice and the short reset it'll only get better. I expect the actual release will lighten up some after a few hundred rounds.
 
Ike666 said:
But with enough practice and the short reset it'll only get better.

By that, do you mean that (as you are letting the trigger move forward, after the shot) you can detect when the trigger has reset, and stop the forward motion there, so that on the followup shot, you avoid the long preliminary "take-up" part of the aft trigger motion?

And is there a spring somewhere that you yourself can bend a little, to reduce that 5-lb release, like you can for the disconnector and sear legs of the sear spring on a 1911?
 
I purchased the stainless Match Elite back in early June. It has been 100% reliable so far, and very accurate. I swapped out the rosewood grips for a set of Hogue OD green aluminum grips. They are slimmer and fit my hand much better than the stock grips.

Chronograph results for 3 different loads are as follows- Temp was 81*F

Sig Performance Elite 180gr fmj
5 shot average-1204 fps ES-22 SD-9

Underwood 180gr Gold Dot
5 shot average- 1298 fps ES-27 SD-10

135gr Nosler jhp (my handloads)
5 shot average- 1480 fps ES-26 SD-10

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If you're looking for a holster, this holster made by BlackHawk! for the Springfield XDm .45 fits the P220 10mm very well. I tried a few holster that I had in the spare holster bin:D
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Congrats on the new pistol. I have noticed that my 220 (SAO) in .45 acp has a milder recoil than my 1911s, not that they are harsh. i attribute that, at least in part, to the broader grip frame which spreads the recoil over a wider area. My 10mm 1911, using Underwood ammo, has about as much recoil as I can enjoy in a handgun.

Is it possible to achieve a 1911-quality SA trigger release ... aftermarket or gunsmith?
My SAO 220 from the manufacturer is pretty good, but not as crisp as most 1911s I've shot. Not sure about aftermarket/gunsmith triggers.
 
KyJim said:
My SAO 220 from the manufacturer is pretty good, but not as crisp as most 1911s I've shot. Not sure about aftermarket/gunsmith triggers.

I was more interested in whether the trigger FORCE (i.e., the "trigger pull weight") can be reduced to a few pounds, if desired, by the owner himself, bending some leaves of a (compound) spring like you can do with a 1911.
 
I was more interested in whether the trigger FORCE (i.e., the "trigger pull weight") can be reduced to a few pounds, if desired, by the owner himself, bending some leaves of a (compound) spring like you can do with a 1911.

No leaf spring involved. The Sig design uses a hammer spring which you can get a lighter version of.

If you are looking for trigger work and have the money and the time call Gray guns. They will make it as close to a 1911 as possible. IMHO it will never be a 1911 trigger but they will get it close.
 
Thanks for that reference. I don't have a 10mm P220 yet, and most likely never will. Even if I eventually give up on getting my 10mm 1911 reliable, I'll probably just carry my S&W69 .44mag full time ... It's already my primary about half time ... shares that duty with my 1911. Since the last gunsmith work on my 1911 (about 50 rounds ago), it's worked fine, but it'll take a long time before I really have a lot of faith in it. I DO like the way it handles, though, and I like being able to set the trigger-pull where I want it. The trigger (in SA mode) on my 69 is the best of all my guns, though ... as good as it gets.
 
How about a hunting-grade ammo like Underwood's at 25 yds? That's where I'm having some trouble with my Glock 20 but my Ruger magnum wheelgun pistols in 40's will get em in there.
 
I've not owned an SAO Sig, but the DA/SA P220 I had was easily tunable with aftermarket springs and careful honing to a what I'd consider a very nice SA at about 3.5-4 lbs. DA was very sweet, too. I found with a bit of careful observation and online research honing on a 2000 grit diamond plate could really work wonders for the feel.

I'm in envy--10mm is, to me, a VERY nice (I think ideal) auto pistol cartridge for my purposes. In the 220 packaging, I can only imagine what a sweet handgun you've got there. Congratulations!
 
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