Firing with muzzle contact

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marsbars

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In another thread someone stated that most autoloaders won't fire when the muzzle contacts something, like the BG chest,for instance. I have never heard this before and am curious why this is. Yet I also sorta recall a auto in a magazine or on a web page that had a little rod on the end below the muzzle that was labled a standoff button or swithch. Could someone clarify this for me

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Cold Steel & Warm Plastic
 
I don't know what a standoff button is.
Colt 1911 pattern is the easest to explain muzzle contact with.You move the slide back by ressing it into a chest it will move the slide back a fraction of a inch.This puts the weapon out of battery and it will not fire.My sig 220 is the same.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
Most semiautos will not fire out of battery as a safety feature. This means that, in theory, a semiauto can be disabled by pushing it out of battery. In practice, it wouldn't work with most tip-barrel or plain blowback pistols. I *might* work with a locked breech gun but I would not bet my hide on the odds of that happening.

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Oleg "peacemonger" Volk

http://dd-b.net/RKBA
 
When I was in military school, about a thousand years ago, a grizzled old Sgt. Maj. used to tell the story of one of his buddys who would demonstrate this with a 1911. He somehow pushed on the muzzle with his thumb to accomplish the task. One day, as he was doing this trick, his thumb slipped slightly. The thumb then disappeared downrange at a great rate of speed. I tried to forget the story, but I never seemed to be able to forget ANYTHING the man said. He always called me "Young Troop". I can still hear it. "I don't believe you, Young Troop! Drop and give me twenty"! I know I'll spell it wrong, but his name was Cassimere Cyseack. (Pronounced Seezak)

Will

[This message has been edited by WLM (edited August 18, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by WLM (edited August 18, 2000).]
 
He must have liked you Will. Posting anything I was ever called by a DI would be in violation of forum policy. ;)

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Gunslinger

I was promised a Shortycicle and I want a Shortycicle!
 
Gunslinger,
The man scared me to death!
I've NEVER been able to do push-ups easily. However, with the Sgt.Maj. standing over me, I could do 50. (And quickly!)

Will
 
You may be able to pull off a contact shot if the pistol isn't forced out-of-battery as was described. The problem is, the blood, gore and other matter that will splash back into and onto the gun will likely cause it to jam up, preventing another shot.
 
A not so bad solution is to hold it about two or three inches from the target, provided you have the opportunity. I have done this in training, get ready for muzzle blast and such, but it is another way to engage without having to worry about taking the gun out of the fight. In practice, go about three inches off of the target, raise your non gun hand as if blocking something, touching the target, have the weapon slightly canted and drawn to your mid torso, and fire. The cant prevents the slide from hanging up on you.
 
This is a good reason to use a snubbie revolver for close quartered combat.
 
From what I have read the effect of these close shots is awsome.The gases do allmost as much damage as the bullet.

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Bob--- Age and deceit will overcome youth and speed.
I'm old and deceitful.
 
The gasses do more damage than the bullet with a hard contact wound. In the interest of good taste, I won't post links or pictures, but if you're interested you can find them easily enough.
 
Hi, guys,

Short recoil autos will go out of battery and disconnect the trigger if the barrel is pushed to the rear. But don't get fancy and try doing the "thumb thing" with a blowback pistol; your thumb will definitely blow forward.

Jim
 
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