Fired my first 10mm handgun

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The brother and I went to the range today with a couple of guns, and hoping to rent the Ruger Super Redhawk snubbie in .454 they have... but they had just run out of ammo for it. So we browsed through their rentals and decided to just go with a Glock 20. After shooting my S&W 4006 for awhile, I was very surprised to find that I couldn't notice much difference in recoil when shooting the Glock. Of course most factory 10mm loads aren't very hot (we were shooting remington UMC), but even then I certainly did notice a difference in the muzzle blast of the 10mm compared to the .40 S&W. Every shot from that thing lit up the entire side of the indoor range, and made quite a bang as well. Overall I really liked the 10mm, very controllable imo, with a lot of power and as a bonus puts on a nice light show :D.
 
Remington lists the muzzle velocity of their 180 gr. load at 1,150 fps which would be pretty hot for a .40 SW but not for the 10mm (assuming it really shoots at 1,150 fps). I don't shoot .40 SW but I can really tell the difference in .45 acp and 10mm. The .45 is not nearly as snappy as the 10mm.
 
If you like the 4006, find yourself a 1006. You won't be disappointed.
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Yeah I've thought about the 1006, I'm more of a rifle guy myself but I would definitely like a 10mm handgun.
 
It moved a little when you said "Delta Elite". For now I have to subsist on my G21 10mm conversion. Which aint bad, BTW, for the cost.
 
I picked up a Glock 20 last month and I have found the same to be true.

Low recoil compared to calibers like .40 and .45 ACP.

I have loaded up some rounds that are in the "HOT" range and even those were not as I would have expected.
 
10mm recoil on G20 and G29 is LESS than 40 or 45 in similar guns.

I actually prefer shooting a G29 to a G30.

Most factory ammo has a pretty tame muzzle velocity and is close to some of the hotter 40s, but the Buffalo Bore stuff has one hell of a kick to it.
 
SC, not suprised you experienced little difference in recoil between the 10 and the .40, or about the "light show" with the Remington-UMC ammo. I've done a fair amount of chronographing of factory and reloaded 10MM since my first 10MM, a Bren Ten back around '83-84, IIRC. The Rem-UMC load is one I have not chronographed, but I would be surprsed if it got anywhere near 1150 FPS now days. Most factory 10MM ammo of the last ~20 years seems to be drawing closer to duplicating .40 S&W ballistics, than what the 10MM cartridge is safely capable of. With some modern factory ammo, I can see why some shooters wonder why anybody would bother with 10MM, since ballistics are about the same as published .40 S&W. I have shot a fair amount of the Remington .45 185 grain JHP non-+P and 9MM 115 grain JHP +P over the last dozen years or so and find that both give a very bright flash in low light, similar to what you have described. Not such a good thing for duty or carry ammo I think...

I'm still a fan of the "real" 10MM and after the Ben Ten had Glock, Colt, Kimber, S&W( semi-auto and revolver), Ruger Blackhawk, etc. 10MMs. While I am a died-in-the-wool 1911 guy, I have come to prefer the S&Ws in 10MM over the 1911 types. The S&Ws, with their greater slide mass seem to handle the real 10MM ammo with boring reliability, but without Warp 9.5 slide velocities, heavy recoil springs, buffers, etc. of the 1911 10MM platform.

Ps, "Real" 10MM to me means loads like Norma's original 200 grains at a chronographed ( in 5" bbl.) 1200+ FPS, Norma 170 at ~1300 FPS, Buffalo Bore 180 JHP at 1380 FPS, Winchester's 175 Silver Tip at 1270FPS, etc. or similar reloads...ymmv
 
You pretty much summed it up--modern 10mm is VERY close to 40. Unless you reload or get hotter ammo.

Which most modern 10mm's with a fully supported barrel can handle.
 
For those who have come to know and appreciate the 10mm for its ballistic ability we have this chart to give some indications of potential...:D
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Please feel free to visit the 10mmfirearms website for more info...
http://10mm-firearms.com/factory-10mm-ammo/10mm-ammo-history/

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I like to load my 10mm rounds with Power Pistol powder, as even if the bullets are moving at only .40 S&W velocities, I still get full 10mm-levels of shock and awe.
Jeff Cooper's intent for the 10mm was a 200gr bullet with an impact velocity of 1000fps. Assuming a 50yd limit, that would be 1050fps at the muzzle. A far cry from the "magnum" rounds cooked-up by D&D and Norma.
 
10mm is pretty sweet. I have a glock 20 (gen2?) which I blew the mag catch in half using reloads I bought at the range. Poor chamber support, be careful what you feed your glock! But it does feed reliably.

I have a couple of 10mm EAA witnesses I love to shoot, the large frame CZ is great for me. I had to swap the compact over to a .40 barrel, the round is just too hot for it to handle reliably.
 
I really like that chart! I used it to order ammo today. Some ammo I had in my shopping cart(s) I deleted due to it being "Nuclear". I don't want to damage my new Delta Elite. Anyone know of a chart like that for .45 ACP, .357 Magnum and / or .44 Magnum?
 
My mouth waters every time I see a post about a 10mm. My next gun is going to be a Witness Elite Match. I will not stray. I will not pick up any bargain guns that deter me from my goal. I will have a 10mm in the next month or 2. This is a rough hobby!
 
10mm Javelina

I have had a 10mm for around 20 years, a IAI Javelina. Back in the day they were sold at almost give away prices so I got one and it shot very well right out of the box. Hammer bite was awful so I hacked in a commander hammer and beaver-tail safety. The pistol is so easy on brass most everything I have from back then still hasn't split or did the "smiley" thing at the case head. Now in fairness I have a lot of guns so I don't shoot it all of the time so I am sure that had an impact. I also didn't think I was loading all that hot as the primers looked good and the recoil was no issue. My two favorite bullets were the old Hornady 180 XTP and a RCBS cast gas check bullet that weighs out around 207 grains. Shooting some across my chronograph surprised me with the 180s around 1252 and the 207s about 100 fps less.

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I do lurk over at the 10mm site some. The_Shadow and his fellow posters have a LOT of good information, better than any other site I have been to yet. I also blame them for my latest wish item, I just ordered a supposedly unfired Ruger 10mm/38-40. I almost hope it is not unfired as I am getting it to shoot and my guess is it would handle some heavy-nuke loads if I was so inclined. :D
 
10mm is pretty sweet. I have a glock 20 (gen2?) which I blew the mag catch in half using reloads I bought at the range. Poor chamber support, be careful what you feed your glock!
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I was resizing 10mm cases last night, and among them were cases from Double Tap, purveyors of factory "nuclear" ammo, and those cases, fired in a Glock (characteristic firing pin marks) were quite visibly bulged.
When I've seen bulged cases from a Delta Elite, the bulge is just ahead of the extractor groove where the case is unsupported, but the cases I was handling last night were bulged along the entire lower half, as if the chamber diameter is too large.
I won't be pushing the pressures when reloading these cases!
 
I fired one back when it was first released. I probably fired ammo from the first released lot of Norma. Back when it was called "magnum."

Not pleasant. But, back at the time, the biggest things commonly available ranged in power from the .44 magnum down. Anyone who willingly subjects themselves to the .454 casull in a "compact" revolver is going to feel very differently than I did at the time, especially as I was shooting full house magnum loads, and the biggest thing that I had ever handled at the time were .44 magnum large revolvers.
 
Fired one in 1911 style myself earlier this week. I concurr it isn't what it's made out to be. Too bad I'd done bought the .40 due to its ammo availability. I think it is also a sweet shooting gun.
 
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