Firearms INNOCENT? (no troll)

[Sir William]

I was just thinking over a few incidents, statistics and media bias. 47 of 54 IIRC, "terrorists" legally filled out 4473s, passed NICS and legally purchased firearms. The TX courthouse killer legally owned and under current R&Rs was NOT barred from legally purchasing firearms according to the BATF. The Atlanta courthouse killer used a legally purchased and government issue weapon AFTER beating down the deputy. The point? The firearms are innocent. The victims of violence were innocent. The CRIMINAL offender is the issue. I simply feel that the ability to ignore any moral, legal or philosophical reasons to stop violent actions is an individual malfunction. The mechanical action of any firearm is inanimate. The finger on the trigger is responsible. I hope that fact is recognized. The RCMP Mounties were ambushed by an evil man. The weapon was not, cannot be held responsible. The actor is the only item to be concerned with. I hope that the fellow citizens we elect, the courts, the LEOs and the media realise that a fist, a rock, a edged weapon, firearms, vehicles and pointy sticks are NOT at fault. The mindset, the willingness to BE violent and the individual malfunction are to blame. Anger management? Counseling? Protection of the accuseds rights? Jury biased by shackles? Questions are asked. There are not many answers though. Fair, balanced and unbiased justice is a myth. The hindsight view is that the killers should have all been considered dangerous and handled differently. How? Nobody seems to have any consistent answers. Individual, case by case, each case is individually dynamic and many other words are used to stay a firm and overpowering state presence. Yes, I said that. There is a way to stem the violence. It restricts freedom and treats the criminal as, well, a criminal. It is a solution. It also frightens me. We do need to draw a line in the blood of the innocents. I see no room for any compromise. Guilty until proven innocent? My own concern is with the public (me) safety. I really can't become sympathetic with criminals, rapists, murderers, child molesters, porno addicts, drug addicts or marijuana farmers. Is this lack of empathy wrong? I guess my attitude is bad, my intentions are good. I remember shackled chain gangs and striped inmate clothing. I think a unkind, unsympathetic and unchanging attitude towards crime, criminals and stricter control is demanded. Ban crime, destroy criminals and make criminals into pariahs. Think about those words in a different context. Ban guns, destroy firearms and make gunowners into pariahs. The firearms aren't to blame. Prosecute the criminals. Label the criminals. Banish the criminals. Give me protection from crime and criminals or give me a CCW. Sorry Patrick.

 

[USP45usp]

These people are alleged terrorist suspects, innocent until proven guilty. The anti's are trying the fear and divide aspect, yet again.

I've been a suspect myself in an issue that is under federal law, arson. According to the anti's, I should be devoid of my Rights until I was deemed "safe" or innocent. Guilty before proven innocent instead of Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

The story: I put in my two week notice to the Pilot store/station at Mountain Home, ID (for those who think that I am lying, do a search). It was the second to last night that I would have worked and I was taking some parts to a place for a friend that started up his own business. As I was there I was in my Pilot uniform and the guys asked me if I worked there, I said yes. They asked me if I was going back to work and I said, yes, tonight. The pointed to a black cloud and said, no, we don't think so.

Yes, the place burned down. This was within an hour of getting off shift. Now, since I had just gotten off shift, I was maintenance, and the place burned down, and to top it off, it was my second to last shift, I was number one on their suspects list. I was leaving the state that weekend.

So, I was the one that the fire marshall, the ATFE, and the company was looking at as the main suspect in the fire. It turned out that it was what we thought it was (they had wires going through the dryer vent, the dryer had stopped a week pryor, but had melted off the insulation from the wires and the wires shorted out).

These people need to catch a clue and realize that we have Rights, and just because someone MAY do something abusive doesn't give them the right to take away our Rights.

As human beings we are fallable, very much so. That as human beings and having the ability to think and to have emotions, we all will do something stupid or may crack and do something criminal, that is just the way of life and being human.

These people are suspected terrorist, not proven terrorist. By the Constitution you cannot just take away a Right because of something you might do, just after you do it. It's up to the People to be able to protect themselves, by any means possible, against what others may do.

We all want to be secure, to live a life free from hurt, but that is not what life is about. Things will happen, people will hate you for no reason but their own, you will not be able to be friends with everyone or every thing that walks upon the earth. The only way to have defense is to have every option available to you, including weapons of all types.

There is only one way to ensure that no crime happens, that is for everyone on earth and everything on earth to be put into individual rooms, lined with rubber, and with no access to anything that could be used as a weapon, or tools that can be used to communicate, without anything that would allow one (or thing) to cause harm or heartache, to another.

Wayne

 

[Dead]

If you start banning "Suspected Terrorists" from exercising their rights, one has to remember though we are "Suppose" to be innocent until proven guilty, this is however far from the case sometimes. Just think about if this would be come a law, how long before EVERYONE is a suspected terrorist just for owning a gun, ammo, wanting to buy a gun, visiting TFL, having a SUV, being and NRA member, watching a Rambo movie, etc, etc. It will not stop until we are ALL suspected terrorists.

 

[Dead]

USP45usp,

Your idea about how to stop crime would work, but it would also mean an end the human race in a very short amount of time. That is unless there were some provisions for automated feeding, cleaning of the cells, and "procreation" through an automated method no involving a human in any way shape or form. One would have to this "WHY" even bother, it would be like the matrix, EXCEPT everyone would live in a completely sterile environment devoid of anything to stimulate them, or keep them going. I wonder if it would be possible to "think" oneself to die.