Firearm 'Black Box' Would Monitor Police Shootings

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Firearm 'Black Box' Would Monitor Police Shootings
By Patrick Goodenough
CNS London Bureau Chief
01 June, 2000

London (CNSNews.com) - Police officers worldwide could find themselves accountable for every shot they fire, if a newly-developed, postage-stamp-sized data recorder -- designed to fit onto handguns -- becomes standard issue.

Like the "black box" fitted on aircraft, the recorder can accurately chronicle the exact time (to the millisecond) and the precise direction (to a fraction of a degree) of every shot fired from its host weapon.

The device is to be unveiled at a police weapons conference in the Netherlands next week, when senior British police officers will examine a prototype.

But a spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, Chief Inspector Mark Turner, said Thursday that there were "no plans to recommend them to UK police forces at this stage."

The data provided by the recorder will help investigators to reconstruct events after a shooting, explained Mike McBride, an international police firearms specialist.

Also, the device will provide a would-be buyer of a second-hand weapon with reliable information about its condition and use. It could also prove invaluable in police investigations of firearms believed to have been used in a crime.

McBride will discuss the "black box" and other developments in his field at next week's conference in the Dutch city of Maastricht, hosted by the Jane's publication group.

McBride said there may be a lack of enthusiasm in some quarters to using the devices, partly due to concerns that police officers will not operate effectively when placed under such an intense degree of scrutiny.

However police may soon be required to accept the recorders, because of growing political pressures brought about by human rights legislation and the increasing expectation from the public for more accountability.

In Northern Ireland, for example, controversies about a number of shootings by police officers could have been avoided if their firearms had been fitted with a recorder.

One Austrian gun manufacturer, Steyr-Mannlicher, is already incorporating a compartment in its latest range of handguns, eventually to accommodate a data monitoring device.

The most advanced version of the data recorder developed thus far is the 22.7-gram Accu-Counter, built by New Hampshire-based Sig Arms.

It is the size of a postage-stamp, and just two millimeters thick. The only way it could be disabled would be to wreck the firearm itself.

The Accu-Counter will be able to print out via a computer the exact time, direction, and elevation in degrees at the instant of firing, said Major Charles Heyman, editor of Jane's Police and Security Equipment.

The battery-driven integrated memory chip could record the relevant data for up to 5,000 shots. Even when the battery ran down, the memory would retain information on the last 500 shots fired.

Heyman said he thought police forces would show a great interest in the technology.

"The officers on the ground may be slightly resistant to having this, but at the same time police committees, management organizations will all want their policemen to be equipped with these, so that if lethal force is used, a scientific record which can't be argued is available."

Heyman said he was certain the concept would "catch on." In the future, one of the conditions for being issued with a firearms license could well be that the weapon is fitted with a data recorder.

He did not foresee a great reluctance among British police forces, where relatively few policemen are armed, and a small number of rounds are fired each year by officers, other than in training.

"In places like America it will be very different, as it will be in other countries in Europe, where policemen are quite heavily armed."

Turner of the UK police chiefs body said its committee on police firearms had been approached by "a company ... with a view to marketing" the data recorders.

After consultation, "no significant benefits were identified from the introduction of such devices therefore there are no plans to recommend them to UK police forces at this stage."

Asked about concerns that the use of firearm data recorders could affect officers' effectiveness, Turner said "the operational effect of any proposed new equipment would have to undergo rigorous scrutiny lest the professionalism and judgment of firearms officers be compromised."

Turner provided statistics showing that, during the 1998-9 year, police officers in England and Wales fired their weapons during only five operations, and that no fatalities were recorded.



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If these things ever get attached to a cops gun, I predict that a lot of LEOS will be dunking their handguns in their coffee instead of their donuts!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The Accu-Counter will be able to print out via a computer the exact time, direction, and elevation in degrees at the instant of firing, said Major Charles Heyman, editor of Jane's Police and Security Equipment.[/quote]

Okay--so we know when it was fired, but we don't know where it was fired.

We know the barrel was pointed 210 degrees when it was fired, but we still don't know what the location of the gun was.

We know that the barrel was angled up at an angle of 5 degrees, but was the gun laying on the ground, six inches off the ground, three feet in the air or six feet up when it was fired?

And this is supposed to solve--what?

Sounds like one of those solutions to a non-existant problem.

LawDog


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Sort of reminds me of the "Iron Sgt" box that was installed in patrol cars to monitor the officers driving habits.

What will they think up next?
 
I looked at this item at the IALEFI Conference in Phoenix last year. It serves a lot of purposes, and I wouldn't mind having one affixed to any duty weapon. It could go a long way toward saving your a** if somebody was claiming that you executed a crook or something, the readout shows the time between shots in milliseconds, not just a rough clock time. It could also prove who DID and DIDN'T fire a weapon at any given scene. It also acts as an "odometer" to tell you when it is time for routine parts replacement, etc. I honestly can't see a down side to this item, but I'm always willing to listen. I don't think an honest person fears the truth. A lot of the guys who were griping about the videocameras in their cars now think they are great after a couple of citizen complaints got exposed for the lies they were. Maybe this little item would be the same.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jhp147:
I honestly can't see a down side to this item, but I'm always willing to listen. I don't think an honest person fears the truth.
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I would be worried about the method required to prove the reporting system on each and every arm is working correctly. It would be foolish to put the device on all the department's firearms and not periodically take readings to see if it is working correctly. If not routinely tested, I can just see all the challenges in court as to whether the readings are accurate or not.

So, I suppose the department's firearms instructors/armorers would have to include in their meager training hours a routine to scan each weapon and record the results. Any firings not conforming to the established training schedule would have to be explained.
"Oh, we were out camping and I fired a few rounds into a ditchbank using my own ammo, etc.

To determine direction of fire would require some adaptation of the flux gate compass. I didn't know they could be made that small, but I am sure compensatory adjustments would have to be made for the distribution of iron based materials which would vary from make of weapon to the next. I don't know how they plan to compensate for unpredictable iron objects in the vicinity of the shooter such as engine blocks, fences, and building structural material. Things could really get interesting if the pistol was exposed to a strong magnetic field which left it permanently magnetized.

I suppose to get around these limitations we could install a GPS receiver on each and every weapon. I think that would resolve the positional error problem to less than ten meters and eliminate the errors caused by a flux gate compass. Just make sure for optimum accuracy you have at least three satellites locked up before you shoot.
 
The first thing that would happen would be that an Officers recolection of a shooting incident would be proven wrong by the "testimony" of the black box... and that could only be bad. We know that human perceptions get distorted during shooting incidents, and the media and polotical antogonists were seize the opportunity to turn an honest human deficiency into some attempt to lie and distort the truth.
The important things about a shooting incident are the circumstances that lead up to the incident and the actions that take place during it.. the exact time and angle of shots are waaaaaaayyyyy down the list and even when they are known, they are only relevant if you know what times and locations they are relative to. As pointed out above, you would never know where the muzzle was when the gun was fired... more importantly you would never know when the bad guy raised his gun reletive to the time the shot went off.

This is unnecessary data that could only be used to hurt cops... Just exactly like the electronic sgts in patrol cars that get officers in trouble for speeding across town to help women getting battered by their husbands. Sure, they may arrive in time to save her from permanent brain damage, but they went 5mph too fast, so they get disciplined for violating procedure... wonderful.

Not to mention what would happen when the Media and the defense attorneys found out just how fast you really can fire 16 shots from a Glock.... boy, won't that get some arguments stirred up! Think about the Diallo Shooting, when the media made it sound like it took an eternity to fire 42 shots... I think they'd gripe more about the truth of how fast that many shots were fired!

Thanks, but no thanks.

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