Fire Mission - another poll
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sundance43.5
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It's 53 to 47 in our favor, now.
scorpion_tyr
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I love these loaded questions. 1 or 2 BG's against several armed students and faculty... by the time the authorities got to the scene there would be no confusion. The BG's would be the ones not breathing very well. Not to mention it would pretty much put an end to all these school shootings. Cops can't be everywhere.
El Paso Joe
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I guess the thing that concerns me is the qualifications of the students who might be CCW. I have spent a lot of time on both sides to the desk - handful of degrees and I taught college math for a while. Pondering who among former classmates and students I would want to CCW causes me some angst. But I did vote yes on the poll.
Just a personal note, I put in time at the range regularly with my carry gun(s). I would like to believe that most other CCWs do the same. But I know how few of my classmates and former students did their reading or homework regularly. Often they would put it off until the night before the midterm or final. That really would not do if they ever had to use their CCW.
Just a personal note, I put in time at the range regularly with my carry gun(s). I would like to believe that most other CCWs do the same. But I know how few of my classmates and former students did their reading or homework regularly. Often they would put it off until the night before the midterm or final. That really would not do if they ever had to use their CCW.
oldmaster111
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The response of better to be judged my 12 than carried by 6 was the favorite line of my CCW instructor. Makes sense to me.
Sturmgewehre
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Great turn around guys! When I voted yesterday is was not looking so hot for our side. Now we've owned the poll. 
CortJestir
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Hmmmm?? I wonder why that is?!?
(I just voted Yes, BTW).
Ah but you misunderstand the problem. We're talking about a "policy" not a law. You get caught you are OUT, no judges, no lawsuit, no chance to defend yourself, just OUT on the street and trying to find a job.
If you just bought a house, maybe have rug rats to take care of, and work in a small town where the educational institution is the major beacon, the stigma of fired from that institution means you are basically blackballed.
I wonder how many anti-gun teachers realize that their fears of allowing guns on campus would pale in comparison to that of watching their unarmed students being mass murdered (just before they are) before their eyes knowing that their school was likely targeted because administrators felt everyone would be safer in a "gun free zone".
74% Yes 26% No I have long supported legal CCW on campus. With all the school shootings I'm surprised it hasn't been put forth in a bill or something. Oh wait, a lot of people are antigun, that is why. If you ask me they're all like sheep. They fear guns because all the news networks constantly depict guns negatively.
El Paso Joe,
Well spoken and a valid concern to address but the simple fact is this. We aren't really talking about adding new people to the fold (though that might happen) we are, by and large, discussing folks who ALREADY have their CCW and who have, in some cases, had it for years and who have a proven history of reliable maturity. The kinds of students you are worried about will be weeded out by the CCW permitting process either because of background, or because they'd blow their $$$ on a keg of beer LONG before they'd ever save the $$$ for the permitting process, not to mention that sort is generally far too lazy to get off their duff and go through the process.
This also isn't just about students, but also about faculty and staff. One person I could mention is a 22 year old student who is also a military veteran (took fire defending US!), another a 52 year old faculty member who started teaching after he retired from many years of law enforcement work (taking on all manner of scum, for US).
Solid folks who have literally put their lives on the line multiple times to protect society (that's you and me) and yet are distrusted once they cross over that property line onto campus? Does that make any sense at all?
scorpion_tyr
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This is how I think this will play out. Eventually one of these "whack job" BG's will start shooting up his school, just to get two in the chest and one in the head from an armed student/faculty member who decided his/her life is worth the risk of a little jail time. That person will be hailed as a hero to some and a villian to others. If that person does not have any charges pressed against him/her or they are found not guilty by a jury, then the laws will be changed. It's very unfortunate that the sound of several more people dying is the only thing that will wake some people up. BTW, I'm all in favor of students/faculty arming themselves. Simple rules and laws have never stopped BG's from shooting people.
Already happened a few times. Stories got buried because "badguy killed before he could go on rampage" doesn't have enough drama to sell newstime compared to "virginia tech massacre" and because the results (rampage cut short) flew directly in the face of the sludge the managed media was troweling out about safety and gun control.
(I'm tired and going home, if anyone else wants to find the examples please be my guest, I'm thinking the Appalachia law school and the like).