Finally decided to get an AK

anthony6727

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Hey Everyone.

Getting ready to get my first AK. I have about a 1K budget. I really have no idea in terms of vendors, brands, and quality.


Looking for a gun for plinking, Home Defense, and occasional hog hunting.

Any suggestions on what brand to get..etc?

Thanks!
 
I would say hash out about 430 for a Romanian AK-47 WASR-10. I have owned one and they are great. I just really wish we could switch budgets for the AR that I wanted. But no really, dont go all out on the AK because you still need ammo and accessories!
 
it's hard to find an AK that doesn't work, but the the century arms wasr10 is going to have the most potential to have something wrong with it. that said I have one and it runs like a champ. Look at the front sight base and make sure it's not canted to one side. mine had terrible trigger slap so I got a new trigger group for like $15 I think and that cured that and it's even got a pretty decent pull to it now. the other thing it loose magwells. mine is like this. I've heard that they're built on receivers designed to take single stack 10 round mags and then they hogged them out to take standard AK mags. even that shouldn't be a huge deal.

another way to go is to get a saiga rifle and convert it back to standard configuration. people do it all the time and there are tons of vids on youtube. it'll cost a bit more but you'll have a brand new good quality rifle along with the pride of ownership that comes with modifying and customizing your rifle.

also a good way to go: http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/home.php?cat=
 
I believe the WARS-10's are all used guns. They buy them in large lots and make rifles out of the good parts. Same thing that is done with the M1's.

Anyway, I recently bought a Saiga 7.62 x 39 rifle. No pistol grip, looks a lot like a "normal" hunting rifle. Has 10 round mags. Lemme tell you this, it is AWESOME! These are brand-new rifles from Russia. They can be converted into rifles that look a lot more like a true AK if that's what you want.

You can not beat the price of the rifle nor the price of the ammo. Great for plinking, certainly will kill animals if you want to. I don't know about home defense though, that round will probably go through a bad guy, a wall, and keep on going! I have a couple of shot guns for home defense.

This is the model I bought: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct708.aspx

I think I paid about $400 for mine locally.
 
You are best off with getting an Arsenal brand AK from Atlantic Firearms. They have one of the best reputations for firearm sales and carry some of the best quality merchandise.

Depends if you want 5.45x39 or 7.62x39.


I like triangle side folders as they offer the best compromise for weight and cheekweld. A soviet trick often seen in the soviet-afghan war to increase cheekweld was to wrap the buttstock with tourniquets and place a soviet made first aid compress/bandage pack in between.
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct944.aspx
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct891.aspx


If you prefer solid stock:
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct890.aspx
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct838.aspx
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct814.aspx



Buy 5-6 mags and get some non-corrosive Russian-made ammo for your first outing. Wolf, Silver Bear, Brown Bear, etc. Bother with the Russian corrosive surplus later on or buy it when cheap and stack it deep.
 
Thanks volucris. Are these milled or stamped receivers? Been doing a little research and people have been saying to stay away from the stamped receivers if you really want quality.

Any thoughts on that?
 
In all senses of practicality the milled receivers just weigh more. Also, it's easier to convert a stamped receiver. Not to mention they're cheaper. Milled receivers can often look more quality but it will work the same. If you dont' mind the weight they're nice. Those arsenals state they are stamped. It says in the description.


Some people online call the milled receiver AK rifles more capable of higher accuracy but it's never scientifically represented. It makes some sense with the milled receiver flexing less but it's not a big enough difference for me personally.

Some reading:
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7114


As for caliber it's up to you. Both are great. 5.45 is flatter shooting, capable of longer ranges, and recoil akin to 223 which is very little at all.

7.62x39 is good under 200 meters imo for it to shine in which case it's great for hunting deer-sized game in a brushy area such as Missouri where I live. It's a bigger hole, shorter range, better performance on living tissue up close arguably, more available, cheaper mags, etc.


It's a tossup imo.
 
Just build your own from a Saiga platform. It'll be brand new and you can customize as you see fit. Won't cost you a grand either.

Honestly though, after owning one for a few years, I'm much happier with the AR. Follow up shots are a no brainer, unlike the AK.
 
You obviously haven't trained yourself with an AK very well. Both can do pretty much the same things. If you don't have either I prefer an AR but you won't go wrong with either.


Converting your own Saiga doesn't get you a real AK. It's still a good rifle but the forend on a base saiga is a limitation. And the barrel is not prethreaded nor does it have a good compensator like the -74 style brake.
 
Used

I would shop around for an older used NORINCO MAK-90. I've owned several AKs and the MAK is the only one that Ive kept. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the AK, I find it very crude compared to my ARs and Hk's.
 
I agree with Volucris. Go to the AK files forum. Those cats know their AK's and can give you plenty of advice. I have a Romanian Draco AK pistol that i'm planning on SBRing. Put about 200 rnds thru it so far with nary a problem. Seems like alot of people want to compare the AK to the AR and argue the virtues of each until they're red in the face. I know my AK isn't as refined as the Sig 556 pistol I also own but I didn't buy it with that in mind. I appreciate it for what it is and plan on making it look as authentic as I can. Anyways, good luck with the buy. I think you'll enjoy it.
 
WASR-10 = Used surplus or rejected parts that are sent to century arms to be assembled by poorly trained workers. This is evident in badly head spaced rifle with canted front sights and excessive mag wobble due to the rifles being imported as single stack and ground open carelessly.

Yes, you can get a WASR without these issues, but you are in the minority. You are almost guaranteed to get a WASR with at least one of those issues. That being said even drunken monkeys can assemble a functional AK due to sloppy clearances. Functional does not necessarily mean it will function as well as or be as accurate as a higher end AK.

The worst thing about buying a WASR-10 however is that they are a Century arms product that has the worst warranty in the industry. The warrant starts the moment the rifle leaves the factory, not the time you take first ownership of it. So it is not uncommon for the first owner of a WASR-10 to have little to no warranty left once he buys it from a dealer. This leaves you liable to have to fix issues (like canted front sights) that should have been fixed before they left the factory on your own dime. At least a company that cared about quality control or its own reputation would do these things.

However century arms banks on the fact that the majority of its customers who are buying the cheapest AK on the market are not informed enough to know what to look for, do not shoot them enough to figure out the problems and/or just get fed up and sell it.

Lesson learned: Do not buy century armed products, at least not the ones they assemble themselves. IF you must, buy one from a dealer which you can inspect in person and can bring back if there are problem. Also make sure to figure out when the rifle left the factory, do not rely on your dealer telling you it has a 1 year warranty. Do not buy a century product from the used market, because those are often the people trying to ditch a crummy product.


Aside from century arms, you have companies like arsenal.

Arsenal guns like the SGL and SLR series are made from new parts and alot more attention to detail is paid when they are refitted to milspec standards.
The Arsenal guns are also AK100 series rifles while WASR-10s are based on the older AKM pattern. So yes an arsenal may be more expensive, but you are getting a new modern firearm that is good to go, will usually be without any defects and is covered by an actual warranty. A WASR may be cheaper but if you are unlucky enough to get a lemon and have to fix the problems yourself because of an expired warranty then you could end up paying as much to get a lower quality firearm fixed, as you would if you have just bought an arsenal in the first place.

Buy once cry once. Buy Quality the first time and you will not have to worry.
 
My favorite AK is a nice Maadi I picked up at a gunshow for $500. It was unfired, and came with nice red funiture. Some Maadis are really good, some aren't. I believe Century cobbled some together.
 
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