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I realize that this is a great oversimplification but if there was a federal firearms permit, wouldn't it get the support of both pro- and anti-gun lobbies?

It would simplify life for those who live in little states and have to be careful not to cross the borders.

It would be a way to regulate inter-state firearms issues.

States could still have their own permits, if they wished.

Why is there no such thing?
 
It would probaby be a bad thing if the Feds were involved. I live in PA we have almost no restrictions on where we can carry and none on what or how we can carry. If the feds got involved you can bet they would have all the silly no restaurant/bar, no "sporting" event, no public gathering, no bank, etc. carry; especailly once the anti's were invited to the table. Think of the most restrictive bits and pieces on carrying from every state - that's most likely what you would end up with.
 
I've always thought an OPTIONAL C&R type collectors license only for all legal firearms would be rather nice. As I said it would be optional just like the C&R and have the same general costs, background checks etc. and require the same level of bookeeping which I think is prudent anyway. I hold a C&R license a carry permit and I have worked in a major city emergency operations center. I am already on everybody's list anyway.....what's one more.

Making this optional would allow those folks who want to only buy face to face to do so and would open up collecting options to others.

Chris
 
Why not?

I live in Massachusetts, which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation so I guess I do not see a down side there.

I would like a permit that allowed me to carry within other states.

An optional Nation-wide permit would be nice for those of us who could literally walk into another state while out in the woods.

I guess the key is the optional nature.

On a side note, I thought it was a Federal law that kept guns out of bars and banks?
 
On a side note, I thought it was a Federal law that kept guns out of bars and banks?
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Nope. Many states have laws about bars/restaurants. A few have laws about banks. We have neither here in PA. I don't want them and would fight any Federal law that would include such restrictions. It's my guess any Federal carry permit would have such restrictions. No thanks; our state law works just fine the way it is.
 
I agree with Mike B’s two posts to this thread.

Firearms laws have traditionally been state law (obviously, there are some applicable Federal statutes, but state laws predominate). That is good, because a Federal law passed under a Clinton, Kennedy, or Kerry administration would likely be a major step backward -- and it would preempt similar state statutes. We could have Massachusetts, New Jersey or DC type regulations nation-wide, with the additional problem that -- once enacted -- laws are not easy to change.
 
Hey, Mac, how are ya? Headed out your way next month. :)

No need to add yet another level of redtape here. The template has been developed with the Interstate Compact as to Driver's Licenses. Different states have different standards for testing, for example some states have driving tests, etc., in Indiana you have to recognize a car two out of three times. :D

Just tie enrollment in the Compact to federal highway money. If state does not enroll and recognize license from other state, no federal pork. :)

The time is right. The NRA is owed, owed big time.
 
Mc:

the short answer is "yup". Remember all the publicity about HR218. The prez signed it. Fed LEOs have been allowed 50 state carry for years.
 
I'm from IL and we have the worst gun laws by far!

NO CCW's ...period.......none zilch...zip

you cant even own a firearm in chicago (cook county) along with a couple of the 'burbs.

the whole state would like looser gun control and CCW's ...it just that damn city......its a shame I'm from chicago originally...born on the north side...raised 60 miles away in a medium size town.........its a shame that I cant defend myself when I go home to see family and friends.


someday a ccw law will be on the books...someday....

in the meantime i'll finish the process of getting my ccw in iowa and i'll get to enjoy it for a few more years before moving back to il (raising family , closer to family stuff like that)
 
Have the Feds come down on the side of National Carry and you immediately erode the Second by pushing it further down the road from "Right" to "Licensed Privilege". It would become like a drivers license, with the gubbmint able to revoke the "Privilege" on technicality and whim.

No thanks.

Rich
 
Mac,

Sorry, but this is a really bad idea. Don't you think that the government has enough information on us already?

Think about it. Every person in the country is in a Federal database somewhere.

Think of the bureaucracy this would create.
 
Rich, once an idea becomes codified, it becomes permanent. :)

Further, all the Feds would be doing (with my proposal) would be their duty pursuant to § 5 of the 14th Amendment--ensuring our civil rights are recognized in ALL parts of the country, just like the freedmen in 1866. :)
 
There's a difference between a "permit" and a "license" - do you get a "marriage permit" or a "marriage license?"

Something to consider when discussing concealed carry issues.
 
Further, all the Feds would be doing (with my proposal) would be their duty pursuant to § 5 of the 14th Amendment
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I'd agree, if that's what your proposal states. The Federal Government (more correctly, the Federal Courts) are in a position to enforce the 14th. That means that an AZ CCW should be honored in MA.

However, what's being touted here is the concept of Federal Legislation to override State Law by creating a national carry law. I don't need a National Carry Law. I only need the States to honor the 2nd and/or the 14th Amendments. A national Carry Law serves only to weaken States Rights and the 2nd Anmendment. Federalism is never a good thing, especially since it seldom affirms God Granted Rights but rather bestows Legislative Granted "Privilege".
Rich
 
A Federal "one size fits all" carry permit would be the ideal solution to a number of problems we face. The only problem is, it makes sense. And that's enough to scare many politicans away from supporting it.And besides that Maryland would never support anything that Virginia supports;especially with reguard to legal concealed carry for law abiding citizens... :rolleyes:
 
I am a Virginian too.

Suppose that some other State, like Maryland, passed a CCW law and claimed in to be binding on Virginia ... doesn't it sound crazy for one State to make the laws for another?

And if a group of other states got together in Congress and passed a CCW law and claimed it to be binding on Virginia ... it sounds just as crazy to me.

I find the idea of a federal permit to be offensive.
 
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