FBI Monitors UBB Bds.

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CassidyGT

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(quoted from a post on AK47.net)

here is just one url of a few threads

http://206.139.32.21/ls1forum/Forum2/HTML/010251.html

here is the deal. Someone mentioned they hated Al Gore's daughter and that the whole gore family should be incinerated. They didn't say I WANT TO INCINERATE THE GORE FAMILY, they said "The Whole Gore Family Should Be Incinerated". Now thats a commentary, not a threat if you ask me. However the FBI contacted the moderators of the board (and it's owner I assume) within 1 hour. Is this the work of Carnivore? or some young FBI agent with an LS1 (engine) bucking for a promotion, so he dropped the dime on the 'culprit'. This 1984 Big Brother **** is really pissing me off!

Clarification-This incident happened at the LV1.com UBB Board (A car forum) - NOT at AK47.net. That was where I got the infomation that the bust went down.

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[This message has been edited by CassidyGT (edited August 17, 2000).]
 
The Feebies?

Reading THIS, right NOW?

Good!
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UBB boards get so much traffic it would not surprise me if someone thought the post was out of line and told someone who knew and FBI agent.

That being said I think Coinneach, however that is pronounced, said it best.
 
That's why one should not say anything in letter, email, forum or phone that they wouldn't want published in the paper. "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
No joke, Big Brother is watching everything. Sounds like the thought police got this guy. Exactly what would the charge be against someone like this. NO threat made, so it can't be assault.

How come Spike Lee doesn't go to prison for saying he wants to Kill Chuck Heston. I heard this on Rush Limbaugh this week, for my source.

Carnivore on the loose.
 
Here's the offending comment in case you're a nosey bastage like me: http://206.139.32.21/ls1forum/Forum2/HTML/010201.html

That doesn't look like a death threat to me, just a smartass comment, but then again I'm not a fed trying to exert my .gov given terrorist authority- this is a real stretch here to try to say it was a death threat IMO anyway and should be a good wake-up call that america ain't what it used to be. He probably said it when he was pissed after watching the democrackit convention of socialist and obviously meant nothing by it.




[This message has been edited by scud (edited August 17, 2000).]
 
And yet. And yet, Spike Lee can suggest in a national forum that Mr. Heston should be shot with a .44 Bulldog, Alec Baldwin can scream that Henry Hyde, his family, and all other members of the Judiciary Committee be stoned to death, or Craig Kilbourne can flash a picture of G.W. with the words "Snipers Wanted" superimposed and this is simply passed off as "entertainment." We're told, "Hey, c'mon, lighten up, it's just a joke. And anyway, we still have freedom of speech." Well yes, we still have freedom of speech, but if this is humor, someone's gonna hafta 'splain it to me, 'cause I guess I'm just too stoopid to get it. :mad:

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[This message has been edited by mk86fcc (edited August 17, 2000).]
 
What bothers me about this is that less than 24 hours after this post was made, the FBI is calling the mods of that board. How many bulletin boeards do you think are out there? How many messages are posted per hour? How did the FBI know that this was posted in much less than 24 hours when there are literally millions of posts on millions of BB's per day? Their powers are disturbing to say the least.
 
To the best of my knowledge, the FBI's Carnivore system has to be installed at a particular ISP and its main function is to montior email, not WWW traffic.

HOWEVER, hehehe, are good friends at the NSA have the Echelon system which is supposedly capable of monitoring 90 PERCENT of the traffic on the Internet. So, if the Gore message was intercepted by something that was probably the culprit. Go here for more info:
http://www.aclu.org/echelonwatch/faq.html

My message to the NSA: BITE ME :rolleyes:
 
There is the possibility that the mods are full of sh*t too. ( good thing TFL mods don't have that problem :D ) - seriously though if these guys are joking it is in very very poor taste.

[This message has been edited by scud (edited August 17, 2000).]
 
Well, well, well, now it looks like the 1st amendment is going to get reduced capacity mags.

"Be it hereby declared that any citizen of the United States can say anything unless it is 10 words or more"

What a sick sad place this has become.
 
G50AE, you are now experiencing a phenomenon I call "UBB Anti-Ockham's Razorization" or UBBAOR for short. You have indeed given the simplest and most sensible explanation. However, UBB is not the real world, and in the world of UBB, the simplest and most sensible explanation is NOT the most likely. The most likely explanation is that the FBI and NSA monitor every word on every board--even hot rod boards--on the off chance that someone will say something anti-government on a board about custom cars.
;)

That said, they probably do monitor TFL at least lightly, but only 'cause it pertains to guns and is the largest board of its kind.
 
(Rant on)

Federales monitor everything. Carnivore is just a US-specific component to the Echelon system. Because of the multinational characteristic of Echelon, the US does not have to get its hands dirty intercepting electronic communications. The Brits, Aussies, or Canucks can get the intercept and pass the information along.

Think back a year or so ago when Newt Gingrich was raked over the coals for a cell telephone call that was made in which he discussed something with someone. The important fact was a tape recording was made and was eventually passed to Democrat congress persons. Some astute observers said recording phone conversations was illegal. Not a problem we were told. A couple in florida just happened to have a scanner that just happened to be tuned to the cell signal that just happened to processing Gingrich's cell phone and the conversation just happened to last as long as the couple was in range of the cell and they just happened to have a tape in the recorder that they just happen to have attached to the scanner that just happened to be modified to scan the cell.....you get the picture.

Don't p*ss on my back and tell me its rain. The Gingrich intercept was a national security intercept. The demand for the intercept came from political authorities and the products went to political authorities. Do not be surprised the USS board was monitored. I'll bet a steak dinner that all boards are monitored. I'll go one step further and predict that everyone participating in TFL is ID'd and monitored on a regular basis.

(Rant off)



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Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

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MHO: If G50AE is correct, and somebody tipped-off the feds, then this is an isolated incident and probably not worth fretting over.

If the FBI & SS got wind of the post in question through other means, think of how they must monitor this board... Think about it! Would they be more thorough monitoring a hot-rod board or a Political Discussion Forum filled with 'Right-Wing Extremists?" ;)


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I'm teaching all of my children to be responsible Americans, read, vote and use a gun! Here's what the youngest had to say!
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Well I see I made a few people think. Please keep in mind that the feds like to obtain warrants based on "anonymous paid informants". Translated that means bought off drug abusing scumbags give the feds alot of their (sic) "information".
 
Lovely, I recently said that the entire Kennedy clan should take flying lessons.

I wonder what will happen to me...

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Did someone say conspiratory nature in government?

OK, let's look at things this way.
Let's say you have the latest, and greatest offering of Web Browser being touted by XYZ Software Company. All the bells and whistles, you know.

Now let's postulate that in the source code of this "browser" there exists required coding by government agencies, that would allow them the ability to "see" into your system. Or say, upload some little TSR, or driver, that allows unchecked and unnoticed activity of your system.

And during a certain passage of an email message, an ISP server has flagged that certain quantities of certain keywords were contained within that email. In essence your message is profiled.
Now is when another "cookie" shall we call it, is loaded into your machine that would allow routing of further messages to alternate parties, as well as the original.

In order to make this work, certain other utilities that would otherwise alert you, also have to have backdoor coding to disallow notification that something was other than normal in your transactions.
And you would know this is happening how?

Working with a telephone switch for awhile has taught me some interesting tricks. Some of which could border upon the illegal. It also has taught me some very interesting things about Unix and clone OS's.

It seems that most ISP's use smaller PC's running some variations of Unix clones, like Linux to handle the tasks of managing the service. Like routing, trucnk allocation, email handling/storage, and delivery. Not to mention security, and client billings.

And getting into the cell phone "interception", let's just say that it's incredibly easy to pull off. Especially if you have a few small pieces of equiptment. And finding the ESN, and # of one unique cell phone out there aint that hard to do. And that goes back to the issue of using Unix based machines to handle the routing of data from one nwetwork to another.

Example: Today, my wife and I went to pick up her cell phone that was in for repair. We're happen to be getting a new area code here soon, so the office programmed the new AC into the phone while we were there. While making test calls to the cell phone I was watching one of the girls monitor the activity of the phone with her terminal. Things like, the ESN of the phone, the cell phone's number, the number dialed, etc.

Any bets the capability already exists to patch audio into that data stream as well?
Hmmm, makes me want to heat the soldering iron a little.

[This message has been edited by Donny (edited August 17, 2000).]
 
I don't know enough about the Gore 'family' to say anything negative. However, I've seen enough of Al to know he should be incarcerated, along with Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Saddam Hussein.
 
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