FBI Files - Firefight on TV tonight

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Just wanted to let everyone know the shootout between the FBI and Matix and Platt in Miami in April 1986, is on Discovery tonight at 10:00 PM and 2:00 AM EST.
 
I hope that they mention the two agents that missed the whole thing because they were getting it on in their car behind a nearby resturant. Or the fact that the agents who decided to ram the suspects car laid their guns on the seat before they hit them. Said guns immediately vanished down onto the floorboards and under seats. What an incredibly unprofessional bunch of dweebs
(Feebs? Feebies?) this bunch was!


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true story, a Union Gen. once said "Don't worry about those Rebs. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..SPLAT.
 
TV, Never heard of the "other agents" before. I've seen this segment before but will have to check it out again.
Thanks Stever,
Mac

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Actually, more than just two agents missed the firefight; a fair number of agents were assigned to the rolling stakeout looking for Platt and Matix. However, the two agents with access to MP5 are remembered for their absence. Multiple stories exist as to what these agents were doing. The least lurid versions indicate that one on a toilet break, and the other was informing employees at a bank of the potential threat.

Whether these two agents could have arrived in time is not known. The agents actually following Platt and Matix had misreported their location/direction of travel.
 
Can't remember the site, but there is a forensic examination of this gunfight by an ME. He published it and there is a version online. Very interesting. It goes into minute physical breakdown of each round/wound. I think I got it from that other BB, which shall remain nameless, but who's name rhymes with 'Hooterstalk.com' If anyone can remember the site, post it here.

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Matix and Platt on two occasions shot down plinkers in remote,informal shooting areas for their guns and cars. Also, there was supposedly a third gang member who escaped arrest. Something to think about........
 
Just got done watching the show. It was the typical watered down version meant for the sheeple. No mention of: guy loosing his gun during the ramming. No mention of guy loosing his glasses during the ramming. No mention of lack of armor on FBI. No mention of lack of adequate firepower for the FBI. No mention of the complete lack of tactical preparation from the FBI. Loved the ending comments of how the FBI showed courage and what not.

I truly feel sorry for the agents that passed away and had their bodies and careers hurt by this event. Sad to see history repeat itself once again cause some dip$hit administrator forgot his/her history lessons. The FBI had the same problems with the gangsters during the prohibition years. The solution to the problem then was to train all agents in the use of superior firepower and also tactical training in dealing with determined crooks. 50 years later a bunch of poorly prepared FBI agents get their collective a$$es kicked by 1 determined and better equipped crook.

On a completely different note, anyone notice how the infamous Mini14 that shot up half a dozen FBI agents never made the assault weapon ban?????

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I watched the show again last night. Aside from the actual events, did anyone notice how the prop guns were treated? Especially the shots of the FBI on the firing line, the guns had no recoil. They were able to hold them almost perfectly still while firing. Also, there were at least three jams on semi-automatic handguns that I saw. All were cleared by simply racking the slide (as opposed to tap-rack jam drills).

Donny, thanks for the website. Very good information.
 
What I got from watching this show was the amazing ineffectiveness, in terms of stopping power, of the FBI's handguns. These were .357s, .38s, and 9mm, if I recall. I think it was said that one perp took eleven rounds and the other six before they expired. Makes me want a CCW .45ACP (since I can't have a carryable Mini-14!).
 
Longeyes:
ANY handgun, even a 45 ACP, is at best a stopgap weapon allowing you to get to better weapons or cover, unless shot placement is right on the money.
 
TCSD,

I realize the long gun is what you really want in this kind of confrontation but obviously that wouldn't be available to an ordinary citizen who might be carrying a firearm legally. I'm just saying that it is sobering to realize that these calibers--9mm and .38 Special--don't put a BG down very effectively. How much more effective a .45ACP would have been, I can't say, but I have to assume the fight might have ended sooner, no?
 
I don't know that .45s would have made much of a difference. Platt and Matix were "goal-oriented bad guys" or "goal-determined persons" (I have heard both descriptions for the same phenomena). Essentially, nothing short of a nervous system shutdown (brain shot or brain stem shot) was going to stop these guys. As McNeil (I Believe) said at the end of the show, "These guys were dying, but not fast enough."

My understanding from various individuals is that after taking a couple of sever traumas to the body, subsequent traumas will not significantly affect the pain being felt. In other words, after being hit a couple of times, each of the bad guys could sustain multiple hits and still not be stopped.

Both bad guys were lethally wounded early in the fight. They simply had the will to continue and did so with devastating results.

As was apparently the mantra of Platt and Matix, as should it be for all of us, "NEVER GIVE UP!" - because you can't count on the bad guys to give up.
 
If anyone taped the episode, please replay it and check the following scene. After they view the first bank video camera footage, and after they've confirmed the suspects are driving a black Chevy, the scene is in the FBI office. One of the agents has a gun in a shoulder holster and it sure looked to me like it was in muzzle forward. I could see what appeared to be the end of the barrel and
the guide rod. Or are my eyes that bad?

TAZ, that wasn't an "assault rifle." That was a perfectly legal hunting rifle that the bad guy inserted a 30-round mag into after Bill Ruger had said he wouldn't make such magazines.

Funny, too, how the narrator kept referring to the superior firepower of the bad guys. An 870 is in every patrol car I've ever seen. Didn't it occur to the agents to bring some along, since they knew what weaponry they were going to face?

Dick
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