Fav tiny pocket / boot - xtreme cond. gun

guitar1580

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Caution, long intro, hoping to see your pics:

When size and weight have to be ultra minimal, whats your fav small gun, and fav method of carring it? Circumstances like, for me, dirt bike rides 20+ miles from any road, into rugged Appalachain Mountain backwoods - Hatfield/McCoy territory, at the southern WV / Kentucky border, on a $6000 dirtbike. I need readily accessible efficient protection - hain't no law in them thar woods (think movie Deliverance). I'm not talkin bear - I can outrun them on the XR650, I'm talkin local economy stricken mountain men possibly blocking the trail with a planned ambush, looking for valuable bikes, and just two of us guys on bikes, and also having to also haul minimal lightweight tools, first aid gear, etc.

Problem is, any larger frame gun will either beat you to death or get lost, when you take that occasional inevitable tumble up & over the handlebars of the dirtbike, or down over a hillclimb, no matter how you carry it (I'm not talking ATV putting around, I'm talking large bore 4 stroker dirtbikes on xtreme rated rocky routes). A boot holster will likely get it very muddy and wet, and hot from the engine. To secure it to the machine would make it inaccessable if your'e knocked off or away from it, so an M-16, or 44Mag w/scope strapped to your 4 X 4 golf cart does not qualify.

I've opted for revolvers in most cases, for reliability, esp on the motorcycles. Even on the Harley, crusin back roads with the girlfriend, or a late nite walk on the beach in swim trunks and bare feet, one could need something small yet lethal, for protection, while keeping it unnoticeable.

For the last 20 yrs or so, I've come to rely on my North American Arms 5 shot .22 Mag, single action revolver, with safety notches between rounds, to prevent hammer snag misfire. I swear it sounds and kicks like a .38. Anyone have one of these?

Reliable, and accurate enough, especially for closer range. Its also avail in smaller long rifle, or even a tiny 22short version, but I like the mag w/ a slightly longer barrel, loaded with hollow points, and it still fits in my pants pocket like a medium size pocket knife. My 77 yr old Mom even has the magnum version, but with a larger rubber grip, for going on vacation, or when she doesnt want to pack the .38, bless her heart.

Heres a few pics of mine, and the leg holster-which I need a better style of, but actually I'd say 95% of the time I'd use it in my front pants pocket or jacket pkt w/ no holster, and its mostly un noticeable, even in swimming trunk pockets. It has even actually sat loaded on top of my guitar amp during some rough gigs in a few back country bars a few years back.

This little magnum has made me feel very safe, and able to protect my friends & my lady in many precarious situations ... and 99% of the time most of them never even knew I had it, which I feel is best.

Pleeease, show some pics of your favorite small stealthy backup guns / holsters, etc.

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Cooking on the grill back at the campsite, there is more danger of a black bear encounter ...

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Josh P
 
I own a NAA in 22 mag with the 22LR cly also. I consider this pistol after firing it a total wast of money and good ammo :barf: I would never carry it for self defence Those good old boy's in the hills of KY and W VA might show you a slighty change version of Deliverance If you pulled one on them. :eek:
You would be better armed with a 380 KelTec than that NAA . Go look up the FPS and facts for you pistol on NAA web site . It no where near the power of a 22 mag from a rifle Just noise and recoil.
Just my 2 cents as a owner of one their cute but near useless
Now we will hear from all the NAA owners I have offended :D
 
If some poor crazed hillbilly was going to steal your bike (and perhaps something else, think Ned Beatty), why would he do it 20+ miles away from a road? Thieves are thieves, thay want a quick score with minimal work and/or danger. What they are going to do is take your truck and trailer while you are zipping around the woods carrying a gun and clenching your cheeks.

If someone was really going to ambush you far away from a road, I imagine you would get center punched and left under a rootwad.
 
berretta tomcat .32 is a good one. my dad has the .25acp loaded with glaciers and hollow points as his carry gun (hes 65 he dont wanna carry anything heavier).
 
The NAA mini-revolver is not for fighting unless you just don't have anything else. You can almost certainly carry something bigger unless you're a Chippendale's dancer and you're at work.
 
Thx folks. Doc, I like that one alot!, what is it? I'd love to see it next to something as a size reference. That's why I put the dollar bill in my pic.

As I said in the orig post, I'm talking situations where size, weight, and keeping it out of mud spray & outta sight are of utmost importance. Pretty much something that fits, unnoticeable in your pocket. Believe me, whenever possible, the DW .357 in the latter pic is the choice.

One of the situations I mentioned was walking on the beach in trunks and sandals. I think a snub in a holster may cause me to not fit in with the beach crowd. And anything heavy is going to take the swimsuit to the ankles, not pretty in my case.

If it's between a 22auto and my mag, I'd rather have the mag revolver with 5 shots. Yes someone setting up an ambush could have more men, bigger guns, or just murder you from behind .... but maybe not. For most situations, I'd rather have something than nothing, something I could get to fast, and use the element of surprise. Anything in a holster would be noticed, confiscated, and would probably be too packed with mud to shoot anyway.

Michael T, you have every right to hate it.... I'm not offended, I appreciate your honesty. I never really expected it to compare to a rifle, but I will look up those numbers, so thanks. It sure seems more lethal than a .22LR to me.
Edit: I looked up the KelTec, I like it.... are they reliable?

I must say, the first shot I ever took with mine, around 15 yrs ago, I hit a bottle on a post from around 12 yards......with some luck involved, as subsequent shots were not quite so good. But it seemed to shoot close enough groups for close range. I never expected that any snub would be good for anything other than close range.

Thx again, pls keep posting pics of your smaller pieces / holsters, etc. You guys have lots of cool stuff ... maybe it will inspire me to sell of the 22mag for something better. I expected that there would be more folks who owned / tried one of these.

Josh P
 
I'd say with your likeness of revolvers I'd look at a Smith 442 or Ruger LCR or if you have some disposable income a Smith M&P 340 I know it's a bit of a waste I carry +p38s in mine most of the time but the big dot night sight is nice and I have the option of 357s.
 
Don't listen to anyone, Josh. If you believe all these internet fables, a .22 is totally worthless and if you carry anything smaller than a .45, the Deliverence awaits you.

In the mean time there are numerous stories where people were able to defend themselves with an NAA mini. Here's an example:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=48444

I like these little guns and while they might not be the best tool to get into a gunfight with, they will still get you out of a hairy situation.
 
My 2 small guns are a Bersa Thunder .380 and a Browning Buckmark .22 auto.

I would not feel under gunned with either, . . . but I'm done and finished with .25's, .32's and the like.

May God bless,
Dwight
 
I know what nothin is and a little 22 mag is better than nothing !!! here in Illinois all we can carry is a pocket knife.....When I'm playing in a rough bar I count on my Telecaster, just hit em on the head and keep on playing....a tele is a mean piece of wood......
 
Thx for being down to earth Bat, I'm with ya.

Mill, haha, I have one of those old '71 Tele's, and would not want to get struck with one. If you need to pack heat to protect $$$ in music gear, or vintage instruments, then you gotta do what ya gotta do. Good to hear from a musician.

Dwight, are those 2 you mention small enough for pocket carry?

JP

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Here are my solutions to carrying concealed and still accessable. The first is a Smith & Wesson Model 637 Airweight. It is a .38 special rated for +P. I just drop it in my front pocket. The playing card in the picture is a standard size playing card. The second is for when I have to be even more discreet about carrying. It is a Ruger LCP. It is a .380 auto. It is even lighter and smaller than the S & W. It is only about 3/4 of inch thick. And I never have anything but one of those pistols in that pocket.

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Some one should tell that hero the .22 magnum NAA is no good for self defense. No wait, it's great! He used what he had and stopped the attack. God Bless that man. I really need to buy a NAA mini.
 
I used to do work for the mining companies and a lot of the time we would be on the Hatfield/McCoy trails for access to water sampling sites and whatnot. I preferred carrying a Glock 20 loaded with 180 grn Gold-Dots from DoubleTap. When I ride my dirtbike I usually take a Glock 23. I don't have any comfort problems at all carrying it while riding in a Galco royal guard IWB. . I like having the extra firepower when I'm out in that part of the country. If you get into trouble out there you're pretty s.o.l. No phone service most places and even if you got a signal its gonna take help a looooong time to get there. I was surveying this summer and stumbled onto a nice size pot patch. Fortunately I didn't run into whoever tended it. You never know what you might run into out there.
 
Josh-you could very comfortably carry any smaller to mid framed revolver or pistol in a fanny pack while you ride. When I used to trail ride and be a distance from tow vehiclwe I would have a fanny pack loaded with chain/tire repair stuff and a 4" model 66. Whole thing only weighed 3 pounds or so.
 
pick up an LCP or Kel-tec380

I have an LCP and it usually rides in my left front pants pocket from the time I put the pants on till the time I take them off. It is so light that I really do forget that it is there. Another possibility is a good rugged holster for a 38 revolver. I have a smith and wesson model 36 and a clamshell holster for it. If you do go over the handlebars hard enough to jar the revoler loose I think you probably have a whole lot more to worry about than a lost gun. If you think you might like a light weight revolver take a look at the Taurus 85 ultra light. Very light, same size as the model 36 j-frame. Mid $300 price range.
 
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