Fallout from Mr Cheney incident: PLEASE respond!

We need all the help we can get. Below is what I posted in an Australian hunting forum of which I'm a member. Since it concerns the American people, too, I thought I'd post it here as well. If anyone would like email Mr Malan, it would be appreciated.

I suggest we respond to this forcefully but politely. I also suggest we DON'T print our responses here; we're betraying our hand to the opposition too often when we do that.

Just a simple "I replied" will give us all an indication of what sort of support we have.

Bruce

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From the West Australian newspaper; Thursday 16 February 2006
Columnist Andre Malan


Hearts aquiver when Cheney shoots quail

Dick Cheney is one of the most powerful men on earth. Only a heartbeat away from the presidency, he is a flag bearer for the reigning neo-conservative hawks in the US and his sway has helped send nations to war.

How pathetic—and worrying—to learn that an important and influential figure like that gets his kicks from blasting the life out of defenceless little birds he has no intention of eating.

Last Saturday, Mr Cheney was out hunting quail with a party including a friend of his, Harry Whittington, when he accidentally sprayed the 78-year-old Texan lawyer in the face, neck and chest with birdshot. Mr Whittington has since suffered a heart attack caused by a piece of lead lodged in his heart.

Incredibly, the fact that the Vice-President of the US had shot and seriously injured a person was not disclosed to the news media for almost 24 hours and police did not get around to interviewing Mr Cheney or other members of the hunting party until the day after the shooting. It also transpired that Mr Cheney and Mr Whittington had been hunting illegally, without the required game bird stamps on their shooting licences.

The incident has provided instant fodder for headline writers, comics and bloggers who have tied their quips in with Mr Cheney’s political reputation.

The Herald in Scotland wrote, “Cheney Bags a Lawyer”, while the Sydney Morning Herald headlined its online story “Cheney Hunts Quail and Everyone Else Ducks”.

Late-night TV comic David Letterman announced: “Good news, ladies and gentlemen, we have finally located weapons of mass destruction. It’s Dick Cheney”.

“We can’t get Bin Laden,” he added, “but we nailed a 78-year-old attorney”.

Officially, it appears that no blame can be attached to Mr Cheney for the shooting and the accident was the fault of Mr Whittington, who broke the accepted rules and etiquette of hunting parties by moving out of the line to retrieve a downed bird and copped it from the vice-presidential shotgun.

Of more concern than that, though, is the revelation that Mr Cheney willingly indulges in a cowardly and unsavoury activity like quail shooting, presumably without feeling any shame. Put another way, do we really want to entrust the running of the world’s only superpower to people with souls so bleak that they feel no shame in killing animals just for the hell of it?

It is certainly not sport. Sport is an even contest between well matched competitors in which skill and courage help one to prevail over the other. Bird shooting, even more than fox hunting, is an ugly, one-sided activity in which powerful weapons are used to destroy the lives of defenceless creatures.

Even if you discount the mindless killing of birds and the risk of killing or injuring your fellow hunters, shooting birds of any sort inevitably results in a number of wounded birds being made to suffer and in some non-game birds and protected species becoming “collateral damage”, as Mr Cheney would probably describe it.

Fortunately quail and duck shooting is in rapid decline in Australia. WA was the first State to ban it and NSW and Queensland have since followed suit. In other States the number of hunters has been drastically reduced by public awareness campaigns.

When the WA government banned recreational duck shooting in 1990, then-premier Carmen Lawrence declared that the community had reached a stage of enlightenment where it could no longer accept the institutionalised killing of birds for recreation.


Dare we hope that the US will soon reach a similar state of enlightenment?

andre.malan@wanews.com.au

PS: If you belong to any other appropriate groups, whose members might be inclined to respond, please let them know about this.
 
You will never see what goes on in Australia happen here my good man. Hunting is here to stay. However, Ive posted in several other threads about the incident with VP Cheney. Things like that happen alot and if it didnt involve the VP, we would be talking about it. All I can say is, get a life. There are far more important things in the world, worthy of the public making something out of nothing.
 
""Just a simple "I replied" will give us all an indication of what sort of support we have.""

Who is this "We" because I am not one of them. I think you need to speak for yourself.

"....entrust the running of the world’s only superpower..." Hello do you own a map? Globe? Do the names China, Great Brittan... ring a bell?

"....you discount the mindless killing of birds..." I think your post is mindless and you should stick to posting about Mr. Cheney in AU forum but this is America and you can say what you want to here. It's a great Amendment (Freedom of Speech) just like the right to bear arms.

Go Hug a Tree and leave us hunters alone. We don't post stuff about you when you swim with the killer whales and wonder why one of your buddies get eaten. Your post just informed me not to go to AU to try to hunt game birds.

To make this threat related: We don't know what the situation was. The other guy might have gotten excited and ran in front of VP Cheney as he pulled the trigger. Just my thoughts.
 
Tros, only the first few sentences were his words on the other forum. The rest of it is a newspaper article he was commenting on, and not his own words.
 
Who cares what Australlia thinks? Who cares what the muslims think about the cartoon? The world takes themselves too damn seriously nowadays, everyone needs to have a coke and a smile and shut up.:p
 
I am enjoying watching some of the 'elite Washington media' implode over this incident. They have blatantly displayed their arrogant, self righteous, my first amendment rights are more important than your first amdement rights, attitude. The story WAS given to the media, a Texas reporter, and these inside the beltway news people can't stand it, because they weren't part of it. They act like they own exclusive right to anything that happens that has to do with the White House. How sophmoric and arrogant! The incident could have been anything, but they are making out like it was all kept secret - a cover up. Who do they think they are kidding? Does anyone who has even an ounce of intelligence, including the VP himself, believe this could be covered up? It's not about the shooting. It's about the media, stoopid. And their insistent haranguing about finding a way to bring down this administration. It's all about their deep seated belief that Dubya didn't win and doesn't belong. After all, he's just some cowboy from Texas and doesn't have any business in foggy bottom. Now does he. And they can't stand it. The media show is not over. Next week will be something else. Some of these people probably would have let King David cut the baby in half! In fact, done it for him. sundog
 
what makes this choad think that Mr. Cheney wasn't gonna eat them? Or give them to someone who would? And anyone thinks that "it can't happen here" is dead wrong. It can and IS happening here (slowly) -the anti-hunting mentality. Fighting this cancerous scourge (anti-hunting bias) at its inception point (Australia) is very important to OUR eventual rights. Good job, Bruce! I just cannot believe that WA has *already* banned duck hunting. W in the F?

This dude clearly is a vegetarian; otherwise he is as soul-less as any hunter, what with participating in a system that slaughters defenseless animals and all. Actually, that would make him more soul-less, since those animals have had to live lives of confinement & drudgery, never having been able to roam free, before being massacred for his eating enjoyment. Man I'd like to nail this author if he's not a vegetarian!
 
Now CNN is whining about the interview with Cheney being on Fox instead of CNN. I guess they'll never stop.:mad:
 
28 guage

The top alternative talk show radio host, a Nasa scientist and other gun experts have put the 28 gauge to a field test: They bought a new one just like the one in question, and took it to a range and here are the results: At 30 yards it was just a few pellets in a 180 lb. dummy, a dead chicken, and a Cornish game hen. 3 to 4mils deep. So they kept shortening the distance until they were able to penetrate the afore mentioned objects. The final distance was 15 to 18 ft to put that many pellets that deep in the objects. A lot of us are hunters and on a cold day some like to bring little flask along to keep warm. That might explain the delay in reporting the incident. We have concluded that the lawyer was closer than reported. Pellets don't migrate that fast, they were already there to start with. The distance was 15 to 18 feet, now for the angle of penetration. An upward angle would suggest that the gun was dropped, the hunters were of questionable sobriety and they have misrepresented the facts which is a pattern for the person mentioned. For a 30 yard shot, the angle was straight on, not up in the air where quail fly. PERIOD! You make up your own minds as to what happened but after looking at all the aspects of the situation, those are the facts. Accidents happen and this is a reminder that we have to be totally aware when we hunt. It was just a high profile person this time. What we don't want is for the general public to conclude that gun owners are a menace to society, for they saved over a million people last year alone from rape robbery, murder and burglary.
 
Buckster

I posted something similar on another thread here.

You are right about the distance involved in the afforementioned shooting. An aquaintance of mine does firearms CSI type work for our department of justice. Awhile back, a 13 year old boy was fataly shot with a shotgun. His work determine that the shot came from 13 feet and at a slight angle. He does this type of work for many shootings.

His opinion is that this shooting could not have happened at the reported thirty yards. He said that the distance had to be no more then 15 yards.
 
Its amazing how many people here in the U.S. and in other countrieswant to squawk about hunting and killing animals, but I'd venture to say that very few of them are vegatarians. New a girl once who was absolutely against hunting and did not eat meat - but she did carry a very nice designer leather purse....... You can't reason with these types.
 
Good God, this reminds me of the Kennedy assassination nonsense. "Nobody could make that shot." Anybody who knows anything about guns knows you can find an "expert" to say anything. And frankly, a "NASA" scientist doesn't impress me either since the only people who ever seem to refer to themselves that way are Art Bell crackpots.

I can't wait to see the backpeddling now that the guy with "grevious" injuries is walking around wearing a suit and giving interviews a few days later. Yeah, he must have been within an inch of his life:rolleyes: .
 
Thank you very much to all those who replied.

The Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (WA) has also replied. I will be monitoring the "Letters to the Editor" pages; if none of "our" responses get into print, I'm going to be demanding a reason why.

Thank you, my friends.

Bruce
 
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