fake suppressor not completely useless?

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creepyNinja

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hi, i've been thinking about getting a fake suppressor to put on my Sig. i know that the fake suppressor doesn't have rifling and doesn't count as an extension to the barrel but i've heard that it can redirect the noise down range and away from the shooter making the gun appear to be quieter to the shooter. is this correct?
 
It doesn't reason to me that this would be the case. Most of the fake suppressors I've seen are nothing more than an unrifled extension of the barrel. Gases will continue to expand out through the end of it. Is a 16" barrel any quieter to the shooter than a 26" barrel? My experience says not significantly.

My Armalite Super SASS came with a 2 piece fake suppressor that when the body was removed revealed an adapter for an AAC can. I never tried it as I have a YHM can.
 
Only purpose it serves it to LOOK like a suppressor. No reduction in noise, some even make the report louder. Your moneys better spent on ammo
 
The only think I can thing of that a fake suppressor would be good (or bad) for would be to attract some unwanted attention from the police. If you can't convince them that it is a fake, you stand a chance of being asked to "help them with their enquiries" as the British say, while they call in an expert.

Jim
 
The only way it would direct more noise down range is if the fake suppressor was an empty tube with an open end... Think like a long version of an old school conical flash hider... But cylindrical.

The caliber would have to be smaller to be really noticeable.

You would still hear it, but it would be more focused down range.

It would also probably run afoul of the law for some reason or other.
 
AFAIK, it would be legal as long as it does not reduce the sound of the shot. But I have never had a lot of sympathy for the elderly juveniles who want to build their egos by showing off fake suppressors, fake machineguns, fake jewelry, fake Rolex watches, etc. But a fake Rolex won't get the wearer invited to the police station for "investigation" and a fake machinegun or suppressor just might.

Jim
 
Screams "mall Ninja" to me
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haha, i didn't think of that....but i guess my next question is: is the diameter of the inside wall of the fake suppressor the same size as the diameter of the inside wall of the barrel? because my theory is, if they're the same size, then when the gases continue to expand into the fake suppressor, they would still be under pressure helping to push the bullet further creating a flatter trajectory for the projectile
 
The internal diameter of a fake suppressor is larger than the internal diameter of the rifled barrel, otherwise it would interfere with the bullet as it passes.
 
The only benefit I've seen was better accuracy... this was with a standard contour factory 10/22 barrel with a slip-over fake suppressor (designed to mimic a short-barreled rifle with silencer).

I guess the extra weight acted as a tuner to settle the barrel a bit.

Without the "silencer", the best it would shoot was about 1.5" at 50 yards. With it, the groups shrank to under an inch.

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I have trouble understanding why anyone would want a fake silencer. Silencers add weight to the end of the gun and make it longer and more unwieldy. But they do cut the muzzle blast and sound down quite a bit, so that makes them worth it to many people.

But with a fake one, all you get is the disadvantages with very few advantages. So unless you're trying to impress people (at least until you start shooting), I don't really get why people buy them.

I suppose the slip-over design above makes sense if you're trying to improve accuracy, and it doesn't add much overall length. But adding a fake silencer to a pistol wouldn't give you any advantage except lower recoil.

Edit: I just thought of another issue: What about the weight of the fake silencer affecting how a locked-breech pistol like the SIG functions? Real pistol silencers have a piston assembly (also called a LID) that allows the gun to still function with the extra weight on the end of the barrel. But I highly doubt any fake silencers have a LID.
 
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But adding a fake silencer to a pistol wouldn't give you any advantage except lower recoil.
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if that's true, i would buy one just for that but what are the other disadvantages, will it mess up my bullet trajectory?
 
creepyNinja said:
if that's true
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It's definitely true; if you add weight to the end of your gun it will cut recoil. The only question is how much. A real silencer cuts down on recoil, and a fake one will too (but not as much considering the gasses expanding out the muzzle aren't slowed down like they are in a real one).

The only question is will a locked-breech tilt-barrel semi-auto cycle reliably with a fake silencer attached, considering a fake silencer almost certainly won't have a LID like a real silencer does.

creepyNinja said:
will it mess up my bullet trajectory
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It shouldn't, not if nothing touches the bullet. On a real silencer, nothing touches the bullet (most of the time), so the silencer just changes your bullet's point-of-impact a little bit due to the extra weight on the end of the barrel. I would think a fake silencer would have about the same effect.
 
I equate a fake suppressor to having a bayonet on a pistol.

BTW....I do have a pistol bayonet.
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I don't see any reason why you can't have both. This is Merca!

I don't think any tactical 10/22 is complete unless it has a bayonet lug and a threaded muzzle... and a hello kitty-ninja sticker

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I think if it worked as a silencer in any significant way, or significantly aided home manufacture of a working silencer, it would classify as a silencer and ATF would jump on it as an NFA-controlled item. From what I gather digging around (http://thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-398162.html), this already happened to one fake silencer manufacturer. So if you can legally buy it as a fake silencer, it must by definition be pretty much useless.


http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2012-title18/pdf/USCODE-2012-title18-partI-chap44-sec921.pdf
(24) The terms ‘‘firearm silencer’’ and ‘‘firearm
muffler’’ mean any device for silencing, muffling,
or diminishing the report of a portable
firearm, including any combination of parts, designed
or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling
or fabricating a firearm silencer or
firearm muffler, and any part intended only for
use in such assembly or fabrication.
 
So if you can legally buy it as a fake silencer, it must by definition be pretty much useless.
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yea, fake silencer has the tendency to make a lousy gun silencing device :D

that's why the REAL reason i'm buying one is to suppress the recoil on my gun...but one problem i think of is it could interfere with accuracy since the silencer will partially obscure the sight picture when aiming. i never had a silencer put on my gun, real or fake. i don't know how much of the sight picture will be covered. if it's not too bad i can probably work around it but i'm not going to sacrifice accuracy for less recoil.
 
I have trouble understanding why anyone would want a fake silencer.
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If you were 21-28 in the '80's - '90's you probably wanted one. I remember wanting a fake suppressor, even bought one for my M10. Sold the M10 years ago. I Still have that fake suppressor somewhere, though. I think I paid $30 for it.

First, recall that buying a suppressor back then wasn't nearly as easy as it is today. Second, for the same reason the generation a little older than I am loves SA revolvers (TV Westerns) some in my generation gravitated toward M10's, Bren Ten's, fake suppressors, etc. Recall Miami Vice.

Not that I have much need or want for fake suppressors anymore (I don't have much need or want for real ones either), but just explaining why they sort of became popular.
 
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