extractor screws - Enfield No. 4 mk 1

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Trajan

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This is regarding my enfield (US builit by Savage). I want to buy one of these "no drilling" scope mounts from Brownells:

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/productdetail.aspx?p=1502&s=

I found out about this mount while browsing surplusrifle.com:

http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/cadtechnikno4/index.asp

surplusrifle.com calls the mount a "Cad Technik". Brownells calls it from "DAI Management". Not sure why the diff.

Here's the question. surplusrifle.com's installation walk-thru says:
surplusrifle.com said:

Savage-built rifles and others using a flat ejector spring require block-style spring. 3.9" (10cm) long.

Some rifles, most notably Savage made rifles, have a flat safety spring instead of the more standard block style. The flat safety spring must be changed to the block style for proper safe operation of scope mount.
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Brownell's says the exact same thing. Is a "block style" spring a regular coiled spring? I emailed brownells asking them where to get the necessary spring for this mount and they recommended sarco. I ordered one from sarco and when I got it, it was a flat, folded piece of metal... which I guess is what is called a "flat" spring...???? Brownells & surplusrifle.com call it an "ejector spring" - is that the same as what parts places call "extractor spring" ?

Has anybody used one of these mounts? are there any enfield extractor spring experts here?

I want to order this mount, but I want the right spring on hand when I install it. Note: I haven't removed the extractor spring that is currently in the rifle... guess I should see what's in there first... (haven't had the rifle very long)

thanks!

oops: post title should be "extractor springs" and I can't edit it... doh !!
 
never mind.

I just realized that first they say "ejector spring", then later they say "safety spring"... I guess their description is screwed up....

I was momentarily confused...
 
Boy, you had me going on that "ejector spring"!

There are two variations of the safety spring or what is called the locking bolt spring. Most are made from a machined piece that has a thick part at the front to fill the gap ahead of the safety (see picture of a Longbranch); this is called the "block" type. The other type is a stamped piece of spring steel, bent into a step to fill the gap.

What they are saying is that their mount fits onto the "block" type, so that if you have the flat type there would be a gap between the mount and the safety spring and the fit would not be solid. They are also saying that the ejector screw has to be removed and replaced with a special screw that secures the mount. (You may have to fit the new ejector screw to make sure it doesn't protrude too much on the inside.)

If your safety spring is of the bent type, you will either have to get a "block" type, or make a filler block to go over the flat spring and take up the gap between it and the mount. It should not be hard to do if you are at all handy, but I don't know why they couldn't just provide that also as it shouldn't cost a fortune.

Jim
 
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yeah, it would be nice if they could include a $4 spring with it...

hmmm... the more I look at the mounted scope in the surplusrifle.com story, the more I think it seems to look "too high"...

I may check around and see if anyone else makes a "no gunsmithing" mount for the enfield no. 4.

There was a thread on THR a few weeks ago about recommendations for no-drilling milsurp mounts... too bad I can't get on THR to review that thread....!

Thanks, Jim!
 
There is also the ATI no scope mount that I find far better than the Cad Technik, especially with adjusting it. The Cad Technik one is a bit fiddly with getting it set up right.
 
"...a flat, folded piece of metal..." That is the extractor spring. Fits into the bolt head. The ejector on a No. 4 is that wee screw on the left aft of the receiver.
Those mounts will require a longer ejector screw. If you look closely at the Brownell's picture, you see it's the same thing. It also puts the scope far too high. Have a look at a real No. 4 Mk I(T) compared to the pictures on surplus rifles.
http://www.snipercentral.com/no4mk1t.htm
 
wow, great pic of a No. 4 mk I (T). Maybe I should just forget about looking for no-drilling mounts for my regular No. 4, and get one of those (T)s. :)

Limeyfellow, yeah, the surplusrifle.com article agreed with you about how the cad technik mount is tricky to get adjusted right, and takes a while to do.

can you still get those (T)s for less than a king's ransom? I'm kind of flat right now, just recently picked up a Swede M(41) sniper (Samco).
 
scoping no 4

trajan: I scoped with a no gunsmith.I have a savage and a fasely.go to Midsouthshooters.com and look up B sguare the mount is $50.58.=080-18564
there is another one locks in the clip groove and replaces the rear sight I use that one but cant think of the name[advanced armament???].:confused::)
 
there is another one locks in the clip groove and replaces the rear sight I use that one but cant think of the name[advanced armament???].
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that must be the Advanced Technology one ("ATI").

I have not looked at the B-Square one yet. I'll check it out, thanks!
 
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