Was shooting some low brass trap ammo today in my 1187. Single feed, the bolt would occasionally lock open, but the spent hull was still in the chamber. Ammo was some cheap "Western" target loads, not Winchester AA. The chamber was clean, so thats not it. I compared the extractor spring tension on the 1187 to that on my 15 year old 1100. The 1100 seemed tighter, so I'm wondering if there's a spring problem with the 1187. It would be strange, considering that the 1100 has 1000's of rounds through it, and the 1187 is barely used. Any thoughts?? Thanks
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Extractor problem
- Thread starter Proshots
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The way I posted the problem was mis-leading. It should read...the bolt ALWAYS locked open when single feed, but occasionally the spent round was still in chamber. For some reason the extractor isn't pulling the spent round out of the chamber. With the bolt consistantly locking open, under powered shells aren't the problem. Any other ideas??
Chipped extractor claw ? ....not that I can see
Crud under extractor ? .....no
Spring ? ....I'm leaning this way
Is the extractor tearing through the rim ?......No
Could be ammo sticking in rough chamber ? No, chamber is clean and smooth
Thanks Sam, all good points. I can't find anything physically wrong with the gun, thats why I'm leaning toward a spring. It just puzzles me though, this gun is only about 2 years old. I just inhereted it from my father who used it for sparingly after buying it new. Shortly after purchase, his health failed rapidly, and I lost him 11/01. I plan to use it for some skeet and clays, just as a way of keeping the memories Dad and I made hunting/shooting fresh in my mind. For that reason, I just gotta get it working right. There's no good smiths around here, so I'm going it alone. Thanks for the reply.
Crud under extractor ? .....no
Spring ? ....I'm leaning this way
Is the extractor tearing through the rim ?......No
Could be ammo sticking in rough chamber ? No, chamber is clean and smooth
Thanks Sam, all good points. I can't find anything physically wrong with the gun, thats why I'm leaning toward a spring. It just puzzles me though, this gun is only about 2 years old. I just inhereted it from my father who used it for sparingly after buying it new. Shortly after purchase, his health failed rapidly, and I lost him 11/01. I plan to use it for some skeet and clays, just as a way of keeping the memories Dad and I made hunting/shooting fresh in my mind. For that reason, I just gotta get it working right. There's no good smiths around here, so I'm going it alone. Thanks for the reply.
Proshots:
I read your post 3 times and I don't see that you tried any other ammo. That would be the first thing that I would do. Just because the shells work in one gun does not mean that they will work in another. I have had problems with a certain brand of slugs sticking in the chamber of an 870 that shoots everything else just fine.
If you still have the same problem with other brands of shells, I would take a really close look at the chamber. Even though it looks clean and smooth, I have seen some that had problems.
One last question. Do you know if your Dad ever had problems with it?
I read your post 3 times and I don't see that you tried any other ammo. That would be the first thing that I would do. Just because the shells work in one gun does not mean that they will work in another. I have had problems with a certain brand of slugs sticking in the chamber of an 870 that shoots everything else just fine.
If you still have the same problem with other brands of shells, I would take a really close look at the chamber. Even though it looks clean and smooth, I have seen some that had problems.
One last question. Do you know if your Dad ever had problems with it?
I'd try some different ammo with it first. AND, it'd be something like a high velocity 1 1/8 oz or heavier.
The gun's nearly new. Many autos need a breakin period before they'll fully function,especially with ammo on the extreme ends of the power spectrum.
Run a few hundred handicap trap loads through it. I'll wager a flagon of mead the problem stops.
The gun's nearly new. Many autos need a breakin period before they'll fully function,especially with ammo on the extreme ends of the power spectrum.
Run a few hundred handicap trap loads through it. I'll wager a flagon of mead the problem stops.
Thanks to all who jumped in to help on this thread. It is true that I only tried two types of shells since that was all I had with me that day. First the cheap "western" stuff I mentioned, and then some AA reloads my Dad had laying around the house. 95% of the problem was with the Western ammo, but two out of 25 AA reloads did the same thing. Thats why I started to wonder what was going on. Trust me, the chamber was clean. I scrubbed it with a brush soaked in Hoppes #9, dried it clean, and repeated the proceedure. Dad never mentioned any problems with the gun, but then again, he rarley used it. And when he did, it was high brass ammo for waterfowl. The gas system is functioning fine with the low brass, it's just this darn extraction problem. I'm going to the range again this saturday, so I'll put a couple of boxes of factory loaded AA through it. That might help answer the question. Also a good point made about breaking in the gun. It doesn't have many rounds through it, and if it's anything like my AR15, it needs to be used a good bit before it gets smooth. Thanks again for all the replies, will post later with the results of "breaking it in".
Dave, I hadn't noticed that your from md. I haven't been to PGC since the US Open Skeet Championship in 1989. It was Beretta back then, and sporting clays was just an idea. I lived in Upper Marlboro then, and shot at Andrews AFB. Now I live in St. Marys, and shoot at St. Charles Sportsman Club. We have one skeet/trap field, and a modest clays course. Small, but a lot of fun with a family atmosphere of friends. Heck, for $2 a round, how can I go wrong? We are open to the public on Sundays, so if you ever want to try something new, give me a shout. I'll keep you in mind if the extraction problem continues. Thanks for the offer.