Look at some well used 1300s vs 870s with the same mileage. The difference is there, trust me. The 870 is simply a more rugged gun, inside and out. Even the Mossberg is a better suited gun for social interaction purposes. When you see enough bent, dented barrels, stress cracked receivers, broken stock attachement points, and simply worn out guns, its fairly evident. Just to prove a point, the Oklahoma CLEET Police Academy does not allow the 1300/FN pump shotguns on the range.