Explain to me why I bought the Lyman 50th ???

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I just got the 50th and was looking at the load data of what I load . 308 , 9mm , 45acp etc . The data is the same . I get the same powder/bullet combo's would be the same but I was really expecting some new loads . Where is the new IMR powders or even some others like AR comp or 8208xbr Power pro 2000 mr . Then the pistol stuff is the same as well . Where's the new loads ? I did buy the hard cover for only $26 so that's a plus .

So tell me all the good things about this "new" manual ? I've not looked yet but did see there's data for the 6.5mm creedmore and couple new talking points in the beginning like advanced case prep .

Why should anyone buy this manual if they have the 49th ?
 
Well as I had been saying, if you can get a good buy on the 49th, buy it, but no one seemed to be listening. Yes a dozen new calibers which includes some 6.5s but hardly anything new on top of what was already there. And they still left out a couple, the .22 Savage Hi-Power and the 6.5 Rem mag. The Hi-Power had been included in an earlier edition. But like the rest of us you had a few dollars to spare and didn't want to be left by the wayside while everyone was talking great things about the 50th. Or maybe you just liked the cover. Oh, I know, it was for the expanded powder burn rate list. But admittedly the color photos of the cartridges are nice but they should have been shown full size rather than 90% or so.
 
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You bought it because you're hardcore.

I only have a Lyman manual because I'm old fashioned. I like having a book that I can flick to in 10 seconds.

I think it looks cool and serious to have a Lyman in the reloading room.

But with the internet, and almost all powder manufacturers presenting load data that is much more comprehensive than the Lyman manual, there is very little practical reason to have a Lyman, no matter the edition.
 
Why do you think there would be different load date for the same powder and bullet weight/type. Powder and bullets did not change so therefore no data change.:confused::rolleyes:
 
Really Don , did you even read the OP ?

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I get the same powder/bullet combo's would be the same but I was really expecting some new loads . Where is the new IMR powders or even some others like AR comp or 8208xbr Power pro 2000 mr . Then the pistol stuff is the same as well . Where's the new loads ?
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I guess I could have been a "little" more clear but that should have been enough .
 
I immediately got the message on what you were saying and lacking data on new powders really was obvious. I guess I did notice one or two instances of new data but certainly not many. I was also looking for more specific data loads with Trail Boss powder but couldn't find any or many. So overall didn't find much to be beneficial. But would have got it anyway.
 
Since Al Gore invented the internet, there's really little reason to buy late model reloading books.
The manufacturers' web sites have the latest info and the old reloading books have the previous info that's still as good as ever.
Now if the satellites ever fall out of orbit, that could all change of course, but reloading data would be the least of our problems.
Doubt if my better half would be interested in talking reloading with me.
She has lots of cook books, but somehow it wouldn't be the same.
 
Does it have a decent AR load section for both ar-15 and ar-10?
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Anything unique to the .223 Wylde?
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When you have time to look at it, is the forward reloading material the same?
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tnx
 
As with college textbooks ($$$!!!), after awhile, sales of a particular edition begin to wane (used books being resold). It has been said by several different sources that a "new edition" of the same book is not driven by additional,new, etc., information, but economics. The "new editions", as you have found are basically the same as the older ones with just mostly cosmetic changes. How do you like the new cover?:p
I recently bought a 49th and found almost nothing new from my 48th. Lyman stock did go up a few bucks though.
 
She has lots of cook books, but somehow it wouldn't be the same.
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I have not counted her cook books but a wild 'guestimate' of the total weight would be 500 lbs. Her favorite recipes are written and handed down on cards and note book paper. For many years I was told her mom had 'THE BARBEQUE SAUSE' recipe. I was told it was not written down and then one day we went to South Texas for Thanksgiving. I was told she made the barbeque sauce; after everyone had finished the subject of all the effort was focused on the barbeque sauce. And I said for all the effort and time it took to make the sauce she would have been better off purchasing Kraft Barbeque sauce. I am very thankful my wife and her sister were the only two people that heard me because that is what her mom had been using and there was no receipt.

F. Guffey
 
.223 loads were tested in a universal receiver and a Colt AR-15 20" 1/7 twist. No specific chambers. Loads in the 50th still uses old loads with CUP pressures and new tested loads listed in PSI. I assume that .223 loads listing cup pressure were in the universal receiver and new PSI pressures tested in the AR? It doesn't show which loads were tested in which. Good addition to your library but you will find the biggest complaint is the lack of testing for the newest powders such as 8208, CFE's, IMR Endurons , BE86, etc. Note they did test 8208 with the 6.5 Grendel which is a new caliber for Lyman. Haven't done a complete search of the manual yet.
50th for 454 Casull used 3 jacketed bullets, 240 gr XTP-HP, Barnes XPB 250 gr., and Hornady Mag XTP-HP 300 grain. They list Win 296 with these 3 bullets. Also data for 2 linotype bullets 255 and 325 gr.
308 Winchester appears to have all been tested in a universal receiver.
Good section on Thompson Encore and Contenders.
 
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Books are special items. The internet will not replace books at least for the next 25-50 years (and then books will be in museums), and it never hurts to have "too many" or duplicates. My first manual and the one I still have is a Speer #11 I got in '86 (I used Lee pamphlets/instructions included with their Lee Loaders and the public library's manuals). I only go back as far as the 48th Edition of Lyman's manual, and will get the 50th too, because they get pretty dog-eared and have tons of notes and bookmarks in them after a couple years. I have 4 of Hodgdon's magazine style manuals and most of my reloading needs are the same from 2009-2015, but I'm keepin' them all...
 
I started handloading in 1999, bought 50 load books, new and used ones on Ebay.

In 2001, I was posting on this forum about Quickload, and my usage and purchases of load books dropped off. I can make up starting loads, but I think Quickload is better.

I will say this about load books, Sierra rifle loads are not far from reality. Lyman would be just after that.
 
I guess I won't buy the 50th version. I have the 49th and 3 older versions. The older versions have some of the cooler calibers. And since I shoot a lot of Nosler bullets, I have a new version of their book. That's all I need.
 
Really Don , did you even read the OP ?

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I get the same powder/bullet combo's would be the same but I was really expecting some new loads . Where is the new IMR powders or even some others like AR comp or 8208xbr Power pro 2000 mr . Then the pistol stuff is the same as well . Where's the new loads ?
I guess I could have been a "little" more clear but that should have been enough
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Clear enough, YOU are the one who bought the new Lyman 50th. I have the 48th if you are interested
 
I have the 48th if you are interested
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LMAO :D now that was funny

Some of you are saying the net as all the info I need . I like to have more then one source for a specific load , you know like we all tell new guys . Check multiple sources and it's best to have two or three to choose from . So I ask you internet guys . Where did you find the second and third sources for the new IMR powders , CFE pistol . AR comp , Power Pro 2000mr ? I've only found one source for each of those . Can you guys please link your second and third sources for those powders ? oops Hornady has PP 2000mr so I have two for that one .

Speaking of the 223/AR load data . I don't like the idea they don't specify which receiver is used for what load . IMHO it's an important distinction . Now I don't know the specifics of the two receivers they use but I'd think the Colt/AR would have a much longer jump to the lands . ( maybe not , they could make sure both are the same ) but if one max load is .100 off the lands and your rifle can only be .030 off . You will have a significant difference in where you max out at . You should always start at minimum but I here guys saying they start in the middle more time then I thought would . depending on the firearm those guys could be starting at max charge if starting in the middle .

Anyways it's something I like to know when looking at data .
 
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I like my old fashioned loading manuals , both old and new, I must have 12 to 14 all total, because when the power is out the net doesn't work...with the old fashioned manuals I can still look something up.
Last hurricane left the internet out for over four weeks. Our service comes through the telephone lines and every pole around for miles was on the ground, the falling trees took the rest of the lines down.
I could still reload with a battery powered lantern for light and my books !
 
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