Exceptions to the rule of government education.

Slugthrower

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This child has a grasp of things that gives much hope to the future of America. Take a look and see what you think.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/kid_nation/bios/nathan/favorite.shtml

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/kid_nation/bios/nathan/index.shtml

There are others on this site that give hope as well, and there are many that give reason for concern. But hey, it is America and time will tell the story. Have a good read and enjoy the young folks that will make the future for new generations a reality in very short time. This is a beautiful thing. :)
 
For an 11 year old he is pretty smart (must have been home schooled)
Who have been some of the worst U.S. presidents, and why?
FDR. He started social security and other policies that interfere with an individual's right to use his own money as he wishes.

If you had the power to change one or two things about our country right now, what would it be?
I would lower taxes.

If you could put into place one law that pertains to kids in our country, what would it be?
Let the kids directly receive their education money from the government to spend on their own education. The schools would have to compete for students, just like businesses competing for customers.

Do you believe global warming is a fact or a myth? If you think it is a fact, what would you do about it if you were in charge?
The earth has been getting warmer and colder for thousands of years. It's a natural cycle caused by the sun.
 
(must have been home schooled)

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I'm a public school teacher, have a CCW and a modest collection, including at least one EBR and several polymer pistols. I also talk openly with my students about hunting, responsible gun ownership and the true meaning and intent of the 2nd Amendment. I keep copies of American Rifleman in my classroom for my students to read if they have time. I have NRA stickers on my classroom door and my truck and I have hunting trophies in my room as decoration. (It doesn't hurt that I'm a science teacher.)

I work damn hard to ensure that my students are not just scientifically literate when they leave my class but are well rounded people with a good sense of history and our place in it. When I get through with them, they are well prepared for college, the SAT, ACT, AP exams and life.

I don't get three months off in the summer, I get laid off for two months every year and I don't get paid during that time. I'm expected to maintain my certificate through graduate level college courses which must be taken at night or during those summers that I am supposedly "on vacation" and at my own expense. I work from 7:30 to 3:30 and often take work home, stay late or come in early. If you think teachers don't work long hours, you don't really know many teachers. I also run a home-based business because I'm paid less than comparably educated people in other professions.

The "free and appropriate public education" that is available in this country is the reason that we have a huge middle class. Other countries seem to be ahead of us but that's only because we try to educate everyone. Other industrialized countries only provide our style of education to the top 50%. The rest are channeled into vocational training programs whether they like it or not. Even the most profoundly mentally disabled attend regular schools in this country and a vast amount of resources are spent on them, by law.

We are not all liberal democrats or members of the NEA. Furthermore, I resent the hell out of all the criticisms that are routinely leveled at the public education system by people who have no idea what they are talking about!

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Well most of his answers are good but hopefully he gets a more up to date science book some time in the near future. :p


edit: note to the teacher above, I fully support and appreciate your position and the hardships you face as an educator. many teachers are grossly underpaid and overworked, they deal with horrifying parents and too much is laid on their shoulders. however some teachers out there don't even deserve the salaries - or the jobs - they currently have. while public education is certainly important it doesn't need to be run on a federal level and parents should have a say in where their child, and the money that pays for them, goes.

Educating everyone is certainly important however we as a society must be careful to avoid lowering the standard for everyone in order to meet that goal.
 
Redworm - I couldn't agree more. I am so frustrated with the administration and their inability/unwillingness to actually improve education that I'm in the middle of a career change. They can't (or won't) get rid of the bad teachers and they want to create the illusion of accountability at the expense of good teachers.
 
The main problem isn't legislation, funding, or political involvement in government schools. The problem is the lack of parental involvement and lack of respect for the "free" education that the student is receiving, along with a few other factors. There are far too many students that don't appreciate the education and are not trying to learn. There is also a lack of discipline in many of the students as well as nonproductive environments in which they live and operate.

It is improbable and next to impossible to educate a person if that person isn't willing to be educated or lacks the mental capacity to comprehend what is being taught. Conversely the curriculum is also too easy for the more intelligent students and results in boredom and a lack of motivation as well.

When I was a teen, the public high school was teaching the same thing over and over throughout the year, review after review, it become very boring and subsequently I lost interest and got in with the wrong crowd. To my way of thinking, there must be different schools that are tailored to the students and their abilities. Some students are intellectually incapable of learning higher mathematics, sciences, and other complex subjects. Some students may in fact be better served by sending them to a vocational school.

How many kids drop out of school and struggle in the private sector, simply because they have no real job skills and aren't going to be able to understand the more detailed aspects of higher learning? What good does it do to have a classroom of widely varying levels of aptitude, motivation, interest and genuine desire for an education? In general what happens is that the standard is lowered so as to not have as many failures in order to procure more funding the following year. When it is all said and done the more intelligent students get cheated of a proper education and therefore are not able to reach their potential until later in life. All this in the name of "fairness"? It is an oxymoron by it's very nature and is unfair to the more capable student.

At one time there were alternative schools for the unruly and disruptive students. These "bad boys" were sent away from the mainstream schools so as to provide a better learning environment for the student that wanted to learn. Why is it now that this unacceptable behavior is tolerated in the schools? I would dare say that if the alternative schools were brought back, there would be a marked increase in the scores on all these tests and there would also be more students that graduate from the schools.

Students that are mentally retarded and/or handicapped also shouldn't be forced to go to the same schools as they not likely to be able to have their particular needs met in a timely fashion. Though these retarded students may not be the brightest they can surely be taught skills to help them make it in the real world. There is a job service in my local area that employs the mentally disabled and helps them to lead and live good lives. They are as important to society as a genius is. Many of those folks have a work ethic that puts many "normal" people to shame, from what I have seen.

This one size fits all mentality, in the government schools, is leading to a decline in the overall quality of the education system and should be expected. Schools started out as private entities and then mutated into this monstrosity we call public education.

The so called middle class was far larger in the late eighteen hundreds than it is today. During that time the U.S. had the largest middle class in the world. Since the government has been growing and progressively adding more taxes to fund more and more programs for the general public it has caused an overall decline of the middle class and the ability to reach that level.

If parents had to pay for the education of their children from their own pockets, rather than have the government take from one and give to the other, there would be more parental involvement in the life of their children.
This involvement would help the children and in turn these students would value their education more. This valuing of their education would lead to a better educated populace and therefore lead to a more prosperous populace, as well as one that would be able and willing to help the next generation to become even more capable.

When we leave it up to the government to set the standards and influence the formative years of a young persons life, instead of the parent, we can be sure that the child will not become the best that they can be. Who cares more for their own flesh and blood other than the flesh and blood from whence they came? Why would a person think that someone else will take better care of the needs of their children than they themselves would?
A return to the privatization of schools is the answer. I know many would disagree, but these are only my thoughts on these matters. Many others are sure to have valid points to consider, in regards to the government education system. So let's hear them. :)

The one thing that we can use more of is information and consideration of the education of our population and the furtherment of our nation. HEY!!! I'm a poet and didn't know it. :D;)
 
Also: vending machines. Allowing those in public schools is one of the worst things to happen to the American education system.

Children CANNOT learn when all they've had to eat is a couple Butterfingers and some Mountain Dew. The one thing the DoE could be good for - regulating a healthy, nutritious, mandatory breakfast and lunch for students - is the one thing they don't do.
 
And MANDATORY gym class, every day, at least an hour. And no getting out of it unless three doctors sign off for some medical reason. (With universal healthcare, that will be free, right? :rolleyes:)
 
Well, inasmuch that the states are the final authority. :p Although I would certainly push for any school my child attends to have mandatory physical education or the child be enrolled in an organized sport. Even if it's track & field some physical activity should be required. That goes hand-in-hand with proper nutrition.

The bottom line remains that kids cannot learn on junk food. Vending machines are possibly one of the worst ideas any school has entertained besides spending more money on the damn football team than educating the students.
 
Anyone care to venture a quess as to how much the local venders are making off those machines?

I have just this to say. All of this ideas for improving public education, as great as they may be, are meaningless if there does not exist the balls to put it into practise. Face it public education has failed. This is quite common anytime the feds become involved. I like the kids idea. Give education money to the parents/legal guardians and let them put the kids where they see is best. If a school looses govt. money it be there own fault.
 
So let's ban vending machines Redworm, as they're an obvious threat to the well being of a child in school :eek:

Please, isn't it the responsibility of the parent to make sure children eat well? And, if they don't want them having snacks at school out of a vending machine, they shouldn't give them money and teach them proper nutritional standards. Your thoughts on this are nothing short of the same tyranny we face with the gun laws, especially in places like CA, NY, MA, IL, etc..

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
So let's ban vending machines Redworm, as they're an obvious threat to the well being of a child in school
Yes, they are.

I'm not suggesting banning candy bars but there is no reason schools should be encouraging kids to eat like crap.
 
So the schools are encouraging this behavior? Dude, wake up and smell the coffe, it's the parents and the children that eat this crap, by their own free will and choice, the machine is just sitting there. You sound like all the antigunners with this diatribe, banning things instead of changing behavior.

I really can't believe there are people out there that think the way you do Redworm. Do you have school age children that partake of the vending machine at school? If you do, then why haven't you stopped them from doing so, you're the parent?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde
 
So the schools are encouraging this behavior?
By putting vending machines in the halls and selling candy for fund raisers, yes I'd qualify that as "encouraging".

I'm not denying the responsibility of the parents but comparing this to antigunner arguments is ridiculous. If you're going to present your logical fallacy, here's one for you: would you be ok with a school having a condom dispenser in the halls next to the vending machine?


And notice that I have not ONCE suggested banning them. :rolleyes:
 
I agree with Redworm on this issue. Placing vending machines in cafeterias provides a quick and easy sugar high for kids. Schools, in general, should know better and many public schools have responded by removing them altogether. However, the ultimate responsibility does fall on the parents for educating their kids about such sugar highs because if children can`t get their fix in school, they will get it at the 7 Eleven on the way home.




Curiosity yields evolution...satiety yields extinction.
 
However, the ultimate responsibility does fall on the parents for educating their kids about such sugar highs because if children can`t get their fix in school, they will get it at the 7 Eleven on the way home.
Completely agreed. The problem appears when in the mind of a young child is "wait, mom and dad say I can't drink Coke and eat Snicker's for lunch...but the school says I can!" Poor kid is confused.

It goes both ways, though. There are too many parents putting crap in the minds of their children that make the jobs of educators so much harder.
 
Here in New Mexico they have a program to feed the All! A other Socialistic Program! The kids at school eat crap all year long! Come summer time they feed any one under age 19 in the parks, for free !!!!!! This all comes out of the schools food funds!

This comes out of the school funds and Then they send my son home with paperwork to sell Candy Bars and other overprice crap to make up the difference. !!!!!!

What to Frapppp Over??????
 
Smart kid...I don't have to wonder how he would come down on the nanny state approach to physical fitness and eating right;)

IMHO- The biggest problem facing the public education system is the teachers union

It discourages excellence...in fact it generally runs like heck when you mention measuring results

Sure, teaching is hard work...but that is no excuse for not doing it well

In anything approaching a perfect world, the public school system would be coming up with ways to measure their success and improve their scores....instead they work at trying to prevent change

Their standard answer is....give us more money....yet there is zero correlation between test scores and per pupil funding.


My kids went to private school...and got a very high level education....and their tutition was around half of what the public schools get in per student funds

As to teacher pay/benefits...here in Colorado teachers retire at 50% - 75% pay...so they are CHOOSING to forgoe $$ today for $$$$ later

whew...I feel better now:D
 
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