Entire Rosie websight is DOWN: more harm than good?

simonov jr

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Rosie's WHOLE SITE is down not just the forum!!! They seem to have yanked it in response to the angry and passive-aggresive posts I and others on this and other pro-gun boards flooded it with. I have been condemned for using these tactics, and would like my day in court here. Here's MY side of the case:

1. The official rosie website promoted rosie's SHOW, which she has used as a vehicle to attack us via the nationally-syndicated airwaves to MILLIONS OF VIEWERS. This FAR outweighs the odd chatter on her board some of you have said we might "offend". I might give the wrong impression to a few anti-gun soccer mom's? Rosey's show is doing that daily to MILLIONS of them. The site was an effective form of advertising for her show and her agenda, generating viewers and therefore revenue for her and her cause. By taking said advertising off the internet, we are merely another effective way of hitting her pocket book. This is akin to bombing radio Bagdad during the gulf war to prevent enemy propagandizing.

2. The site had links you could hit to HCI, and featured an HCI gun with bar through it logo. This makes it a legitimate enemy target, not a civilian target. Every day it was exposing the whole internet to HCI and mmm propaganda. By taking this site down via our lawfully given input, which the site SOLICITS, for as long and as often as we can, we are exercising our legitimate right to self defense and removing unsitely socialist probaganda. I know for a FACT that impressionable kids read that board. She has told them that gunowners are criminals and should be locked up. Brainwashing the next generation is DEFINITELY not good for our rights.

3. We had a blast doing it, even cracking on rozie's weight. For those of you who missed it, part of the POINT is that it is as absurd to persecute her for her weight as it is to persecute me for my lawful beliefs.

So tell me, does lawfully "crashing" rosie's site do us more good or harm?
 
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!

Trick question, right?

Anti's fight dirty. The only way to win is to use THEIR OWN TACTICS against them, but more so.

The time to fight is THIS YEAR. RKBA is THE defining campaign issue in 2000. If we LOSE, we've effectively lost that right. Now or never. Draw the line HERE, NOW. Fight with EVERY weapon in the propaganda arsenal.

The only "harm" is if we all lose....
 
Actually I believe the tactics we (TFL members) employed in the past there were more affective. A logical, articulate discourse designed to be insightful rather than inciteful. Projecting a positive, educated pro-self defense view point is constructive. Anything less simply serves to enforce anti gun propaganda. There are so called "fence sitters" there that can be converted. The only way to do that is to present facts in a polite, level headed manner. We are right with facts on our side. Stooping to their level does nothing for our cause.

Not intended as a flame. Simply an observation and my (not so humble) opinion.

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Gunslinger

TFL End of Summer Meet, August 12th & 13th, 2000
 
Gunslinger,

I totally agree! We will never win any converts by scaring the h!LL out of those in the middle. It will be the undecided middle of the roaders who will decide who wins the upcoming elections. We need every vote we can get.

Joe

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Actually, the site is up. They must be blocking you from entering, simonov!

There is no longer a forum link, however, not even when you hit the "Contact Rosie" button.

Incidentally, when you quickly scroll down the anti-gun PSA's page, the slanted checkerboard creates a rather hypnotic pattern. Intentional?

I too believe that a calm, informational approach will convert the "convertable". For example, I bet if someone posted their latest experience of purchasing a firearm and all the "hoop jumping" one has to do, these people would understand that there are many gun laws already, and they only affect law-abiding citizens. Remember, many of them have never bought a gun and have no idea of all we have to go through these days to get one...

[This message has been edited by rbbrew (edited May 17, 2000).]
 
Simonov...don't give yourself too much credit here...the main Rosie site may be down but the forums are up and running. WB, AcmeCity and Entertaindom are all consolidating, and today they had a major server crash when they tried to launch the new boards. So I think that is why the site is down. Unfortunately the boards are being overrun by some jerk posting filthy crap on every thread...both at WB and Acme. I think you will find that this bothers the regular posters at those boards far more than the gun threads do.

I must tell you that I personally disagree with your tactics. I don't know if you read my post on your other thread. As I stated there, I was a fence sitter not too long ago. And quite honestly, posts like yours and others certainly would not have brought me over to this side. What did were the informative, educational and thought provoking threads that were posted. Whether you agree with them or not, there are people who do like Rosie, and many of them do not support her beliefs. As for those that do agree with her, do you really think that your attacks on Rosie's weight and eating habits are doing anything to support our cause? You say that you have only offended a few people, while Rosie can preach her views to millions of viewers. Well...I don't think you have the ability to convert millions of anti's (wouldn't that be great tho?!) so why lose the opportunity to convert the few that you do have access to on the boards? If they are anything like me, once they "see the light" they will be spreading the word themselves...and converting more people themselves. We have to do what is within our power. Believe me, there are a lot more fence sitters out there who can be brought over to our side very easily.

I agree with you...Rosie does have a tremendous negative influence on both adults and children. But not everyone that watches her show is a moron...so let's play to the higher level. I am a firm believer in treating people the way I want to be treated. Leave the insults behind. If you want to trash Rosie, trash her here...you will have no end of supporters. But let's not continue to perpetuate the myth that all RKBA supporters are rude, gun-toting redneck morons. We know this is not true, now let's show it. We don't like it when trolls show up here, why should we stoop to that level on other boards?
 
I made a dozen or so surgical strikes into the heart of the anti's with the truth, the facts, and a cute little user name: fatasgungrabber

A few days later my membership was deleted, and the boards were down all together.

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"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, becuse the whole body of the people are armed"
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