Enemy Combatant question

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It appears that the Justice Department has released some of their evidence linking Jose Padilla to several plots/conspiracies involving blowing up apartment complexes, etc as well as consorting with several known terrorists.(Fox News)

When will they bring this guy and others like him to trial or are they just going to continue to try him in the press while he sits in his 6x8? Don't get me wrong,
IF he's guilty, then he needs to be right where he is but only AFTER being found guilty in a court of law by a jury of his peers.

Also, whatever became of the question of Padilla being the 'John Doe' in the sketch distributed during the OK City bombing investgation? IIRC, he looks an awful lot like the man reported to be in the company of McVeigh and Nichols. Do you suppose that the .gov has him on the qt because he could blow the lid off of some stuff that the feds would rather us not know about?

Put on your tinfoil hats and join me and the Illuminati Busters in our search for conspiracy in high places.
 
It would seem to me that if Padilla was part of the OKC bombing and there was solid evidence to support it, the current administration would want to make it public, if nothing than to show that the past administration knew much more about OBL's capabilities and did little. That would seem to disarm Gore at the very least.
 
Wartime time line

I see a really big problem with trying to judge this guy when other evidence might surface later . True , he is a citizen , but he has shown where his true allegiances lie . He is American by birth but enemy by choice . He can be held as a POW and tried at the end of the war after all the evidence has been unearthed .IMHO .
 
A few excerpts from an article I wrote almost two years ago:
There are two other men awaiting justice here in the United States. One is a citizen, the other is not.

The citizen's name is Jose Padilla. He is accused of conspiring to detonate a "dirty bomb" in the U.S. He... is being held indefinitely as an "enemy combatant". He may never see trial, and if he does, it will most likely be in a military tribunal.

The non-citizen's name is Zacharias Moussaoui. He is a French national accused of being the "20th hijacker". Though he was in INS custody at the time, he is facing the death penalty in a civilian court in Virginia for six counts of conspiracy relating to the attacks of September 11th.

* * * * *

The Bush Administration has made it clear that judicial due process can now be ignored for any reason, or for no reason. All the administration has to do is throw down a trump card in the suit of "Terrorism" and all bets are off. Justice and due process go out the window.
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I'm not against Padilla being held indefinitely as an enemy combatant...


...but, as a US citizen, he's entitled to have a civilian judge review the case (& allow his lawyer to present counter-arguements) & declare him either an enemy combatant or civilian criminal.

I don't know what scares me more:

...the Patriot Act that allows stuff like this to happen to American citizens ...

...or the mental & verbal gymnastics that politicians & radio talk-show hosts like Limbaugh or Glenn Beck are using to JUSTIFY these violations. :mad:

Padilla is a scumbag. But he's an American scumbag. We need to deal w/ him as such...
 
What Bluesman said

Holding Padilla indefinitely is a traveshamockery of justice, in the words of a presidential candidate. If this stands, then it's just a matter of time before certain gun owners (like the guy who was selling .50 bmg kits, for example) are declared "terrorists" and "enemy combatants" and held until death without trial. It's an outrage against the constitution that an american citizen arrested on american soil for allegedly plotting crimes to take place on american soil is not afforded the protection of the criminally accused outlined in the AMERICAN constitution, most notably, the RIGHT to a speedy trial. Bush and Ashcroft are the ones that should be tried as traitors for attempting this, IMO. Change any fact, particularly citizenship or the location of the crime or conspiracy, and you might have a different result. But if Padilla can be an enemy combatant, then ANYONE of US can be an enemy combatant, when it becomes expedient for the powers that be to declare us as such.
 
The President's November 2001 Executive Order* only applies to non-citizens, yet the Administration is trying to use some semantic trickery to suggest that Padilla isn't really a citizen because he was helping terrorists. If that's what they wanted to do, they shouldn't have written the non-citizen requirement into the Executive Order; there still might be Constitutional questions, but at least they'd be able to justify their actions superfically using the EO. Right now, they can't even do that. If all terrorists are non-citizens, the non-citizen requirement in the EO is meaningless.

Unless someone has renounced his citizenship or had his citizenship stripped for doing something bad previous to his involvement in the terror-related scheme for which he is to be detained without rights, he is a citizen and must be given a trial even though he may not deserve one.

* http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/11/20011113-27.html
 
He can be held as a POW and tried at the end of the war after all the evidence has been unearthed
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So can YOU, if President Hillary decides she doesn't like your RKBA activism. Secret trials, just 'declaring' people enemy combatants 'cause we want to... Yeah, Hillary loves the Patriot Act.




So, how's THAT feel?
 
I hear ya, Quartus...

I absolutely cringe at the thought of the Patriot Act in place during a Kerry or Hillary admin. But I also cringe
at the thought of it in place now or in a second Bush admin. Republican insiders like Dick Thornburg call it a group of common sense proposals which allow for better LE coordination as well as streamlined proceedures to deal with terrorists and drug dealers. Further comments downplayed questions and concerns about civil liberties as hysterical and not grounded in reality. Questions about 'black bag jobs', break in's and domestic spying are rebuffed with the caution that all of these things have to be approved case by case by a Federal judge; as if that would be difficult.

Under no circumstances will I vote for Kerry, but I am VERY concerned about the current admin. having a second term and being out from under the thumb of the electorate.
 
Yep. I'm not really worried that THIS group will use it to abuse political opponents.


I'm worried that they don't see what a monster they are creating for the likes of Hillary.


I object to it in principle with THIS administration. I fear it in the next.
 
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