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End of America, Part 2!
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oberkommando
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Dennis, yeah!
Maybe some heard this word, "Balkanization?"
Some of our more socialistic "comrades" on this forum need to read Brimelow, Peter "ALIEN NATION" (Written by an imigrant).
One difference between the past waves and the new ones is that there is not time to assimilate the new ones like there was in the past. Nobody else will do the work, yeah what a crock. California sucks and the rest of you will see the results eventually. When a nations ethic groups start to even out there is a pivot point where civil war between the groups becomes almost inevitable.
You can see that the majority of european countries that have unrest is because of ethic problems between peoples.
Countries
"Armeia "secessionist armenian ethnics",
Bosnia "secessionist ethnic serbs",
Croatia"fighting the serbs",
France has two groups fighting, "the Basques, and inhabitants on the island of corsica" this is a low intensity terrorist war.Both ethnic in nature.
Georgia, 1992 civil war that still has occasional flame ups.After the USSR Break up this country became independent and the two internal minorities declaree independence, the Abkhazians and the Ossetians.
Macedonia. UN troop installed to forestall ethnic fighting.
Moldova. Ethic war in 92 between the ethnic russians and russian cossacks against the Moldovas.
Russia. Civil war against the Chechens and Moslems.
Serbia. Too much info to type everone here has heard of this. Basically if there were no serbs in Bosnia or Croatia they wouldnt be at war.
Spain. Small terroist war with the basques.
UK. IRA either terroist or guerrilla war depending on how it intrepreted.
The point is that the less monoethnic a european country is the more likely there will be civil unrest.
Is America a multitribal country and therefor unstable? With each passing day, more and more Americans of all ethnic groups are perceiving their tribal affiliation as more self-definitive and more important than their common American nationality."
T W Chittum.
[This message has been edited by oberkommando (edited September 03, 2000).]
Maybe some heard this word, "Balkanization?"
Some of our more socialistic "comrades" on this forum need to read Brimelow, Peter "ALIEN NATION" (Written by an imigrant).
One difference between the past waves and the new ones is that there is not time to assimilate the new ones like there was in the past. Nobody else will do the work, yeah what a crock. California sucks and the rest of you will see the results eventually. When a nations ethic groups start to even out there is a pivot point where civil war between the groups becomes almost inevitable.
You can see that the majority of european countries that have unrest is because of ethic problems between peoples.
Countries
"Armeia "secessionist armenian ethnics",
Bosnia "secessionist ethnic serbs",
Croatia"fighting the serbs",
France has two groups fighting, "the Basques, and inhabitants on the island of corsica" this is a low intensity terrorist war.Both ethnic in nature.
Georgia, 1992 civil war that still has occasional flame ups.After the USSR Break up this country became independent and the two internal minorities declaree independence, the Abkhazians and the Ossetians.
Macedonia. UN troop installed to forestall ethnic fighting.
Moldova. Ethic war in 92 between the ethnic russians and russian cossacks against the Moldovas.
Russia. Civil war against the Chechens and Moslems.
Serbia. Too much info to type everone here has heard of this. Basically if there were no serbs in Bosnia or Croatia they wouldnt be at war.
Spain. Small terroist war with the basques.
UK. IRA either terroist or guerrilla war depending on how it intrepreted.
The point is that the less monoethnic a european country is the more likely there will be civil unrest.
Is America a multitribal country and therefor unstable? With each passing day, more and more Americans of all ethnic groups are perceiving their tribal affiliation as more self-definitive and more important than their common American nationality."
T W Chittum.
[This message has been edited by oberkommando (edited September 03, 2000).]
Dennis and Oberkommando.....Right ON !
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Sam I am, grn egs n packin
Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
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Sam I am, grn egs n packin
Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>When a nations ethic groups start to even out there is a pivot point where civil war between the groups becomes almost inevitable.[/quote]
Just to be contrary, I'd like to point out that Switzerland, Belgium, and Canada are all divided linguistically and/or ethnically and none of those countries has had a civil war in the past 160 years. Granted, Canada and Belgium have had constant political troubles because of their divisions, but neither country seems to be headed towards a civil war.
Just to be contrary, I'd like to point out that Switzerland, Belgium, and Canada are all divided linguistically and/or ethnically and none of those countries has had a civil war in the past 160 years. Granted, Canada and Belgium have had constant political troubles because of their divisions, but neither country seems to be headed towards a civil war.
My personal belief is that ethnic diversity and focusing on tribal affiliations is merely the fuel for problems. There has to be an ignition source. The cases listed above all have more in common than simply the existance of generations of ratial, ethnic, or religious hate. For many the cases above that was the radical dislution of the Soviet control mechanism. When the communists "fell" a level of control was removed almost over night. Just as with most teenagers going away to college for the first time, these new free nations could get on with things that have been brewing for generations. Also, the thing that kept Serbs and Corats and Bosnians from fighting each other was the fact that, even though they hated each other, they hated the communists even more. This is why the counter examples of non-communist states comes up. Switzerland, Canada... have not had radical changes in their governements, nor have the people been faced with a complete removal of controling authority. If you notice, most of the ethnic fighting has occured in countries that were once nanny states, where people became accustomed to having the government dictate what was right and what was wrong. Eventually all nanny states will fall, and TS will HTF.
The short term problem that America faces has little to do with increases in minority populations. It has more to do with the ever increasing value placed on the ethnic, religious, ... background of the citizens. As we become more and more hyphenated we loose the ability to control the government, because we become splintered. Simple divide and conquer. Once we loose the ability to control government, then the nanny state will become an even larger reality. The long term problem will be that a few generations form now, it will fall and the control will be removed, then you could end up seeing civil unrest.
The short term problem that America faces has little to do with increases in minority populations. It has more to do with the ever increasing value placed on the ethnic, religious, ... background of the citizens. As we become more and more hyphenated we loose the ability to control the government, because we become splintered. Simple divide and conquer. Once we loose the ability to control government, then the nanny state will become an even larger reality. The long term problem will be that a few generations form now, it will fall and the control will be removed, then you could end up seeing civil unrest.