glock glockler
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Is it possible? I have read some of Alan Keyes stuff on the subject and I am intruiged by it, but would such a system be workable? What do you think?
Eliminate the income tax?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glock glockler:
Is it possible? I have read some of Alan Keyes stuff on the subject and I am intruiged by it, but would such a system be workable? What do you think?[/quote]
The key is capping the black holes of government spending which are not authorized by the Constitution. Starting at the Cabinet level, there's Agriculture, Labor, Energy, HUD, HHS and Education that should, having no mention in the Constitution, go. That leaves State, Treasury, Defense, Interior, Commerce, Transportation, VA (which really ought to be a part of Defense) and the Department Formerly Known as Justice. Roll EPA into Interior, get rid of some of our multitude of redundant federal law enforcement groups, and we'd have a real start at reducing the federal revenue requirements.
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Scott
When A annoys or injures B on the pretext of saving or improving X, A is a scoundrel. - H. L. Mencken
Is it possible? I have read some of Alan Keyes stuff on the subject and I am intruiged by it, but would such a system be workable? What do you think?[/quote]
The key is capping the black holes of government spending which are not authorized by the Constitution. Starting at the Cabinet level, there's Agriculture, Labor, Energy, HUD, HHS and Education that should, having no mention in the Constitution, go. That leaves State, Treasury, Defense, Interior, Commerce, Transportation, VA (which really ought to be a part of Defense) and the Department Formerly Known as Justice. Roll EPA into Interior, get rid of some of our multitude of redundant federal law enforcement groups, and we'd have a real start at reducing the federal revenue requirements.
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Scott
When A annoys or injures B on the pretext of saving or improving X, A is a scoundrel. - H. L. Mencken
Is it possible?
Sure, anything's possible.
Now just try pulling all of those bureaucrats, corporate contractors, quasi-public institutions, academics who live on grants and myriad others off the public teat.
So many have so much at stake in keeping the massive cash flow coming through the Federal Gubmint, there's not much hope of this becoming reality. Entire economic sectors would crumble and entire regions would be economically blighted if Uncle Sugar stopped sending the $$.
Sure, anything's possible.
Now just try pulling all of those bureaucrats, corporate contractors, quasi-public institutions, academics who live on grants and myriad others off the public teat.
So many have so much at stake in keeping the massive cash flow coming through the Federal Gubmint, there's not much hope of this becoming reality. Entire economic sectors would crumble and entire regions would be economically blighted if Uncle Sugar stopped sending the $$.
Christopher II
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Sure, the income tax could be eliminated. In theory. It would require a massive reorg and downsizing/elimination of gov't offices, selloffs of federally owned land, and an end to such gov't income redistribution schemes as Social Security, Medicare, and the like. It would sting a little. But it could be done, and we would likely be better off.
Will it happen? Uh, no. Sorry folks, there ain't going to be any Libertarian Revolution here. We're too far gone.
Too bad.
Later,
Chris
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"TV what do I see, tell me who to believe, what's the use of autonomy when a button does it all??" - Incubus, Idiot Box
Will it happen? Uh, no. Sorry folks, there ain't going to be any Libertarian Revolution here. We're too far gone.
Too bad.
Later,
Chris
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"TV what do I see, tell me who to believe, what's the use of autonomy when a button does it all??" - Incubus, Idiot Box
1903 - 1788 = the number of years "such a system" already *did* work.
The obstacle is bureaucratic greed.
Bentley
“Political language … is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of respectability to pure wind,”
-- George Orwell, The Orwell Reader (Harcourt, Brace, 1956) p366
The obstacle is bureaucratic greed.
Bentley
“Political language … is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of respectability to pure wind,”
-- George Orwell, The Orwell Reader (Harcourt, Brace, 1956) p366
Scott, I think you're being terribly gnererous with leaving departments. From my POV, all we need are Defense, State, Treasury, and Justice. EPA, OSHA, and the rest of the alphabet soup get "rolled" into oblivion. Let 'em find REAL, honest jobs.
The power to tax is the power to control and destroy. Taxation is nothing but robbery under color of law. "Give us some of your money or we'll put you in jail" is no different, morally, than "Gimme your wallet and jewelry or I'll shoot you."
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Shoot straight & make big holes, regards, Richard at The Shottist's Center
The power to tax is the power to control and destroy. Taxation is nothing but robbery under color of law. "Give us some of your money or we'll put you in jail" is no different, morally, than "Gimme your wallet and jewelry or I'll shoot you."
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Shoot straight & make big holes, regards, Richard at The Shottist's Center
Sure, the income tax could be replaced, but do you notice that the present proposals floating around Washington, i.e. a national sales tax, a flat tax, etc., are designed to bring in the same amount of revenue to the fed. govt. The present debate is about WHICH pocket to pick, and not about the morality of picking the pocket! Supporters of the alternatives want to increase the fairness of taxation over the present complicated mess we call the income tax. They forget that the income tax began as a simple tax, and politicians "grew" it to what we have today. I'm the first to concede that the income tax and pay as you go withholding was essential to financing WWII, but I'd like to point something out: My ancestors came to NC in 1752, and I will be 53 in August of this year. I'm the first generation in my family to have lived his entire economically productive life under the burden of an income tax system that originated in its present incarnation to pay for a necessary war but became the liberal's means for redistribution of income. I fear for what my son inherits.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by glock glockler:
Is it possible? I have read some of Alan Keyes stuff on the subject and I am intruiged by it, but would such a system be workable? What do you think?[/quote]
Sure. Get rid of all taxes. Hell, get rid of the gov't, and start over
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Is it possible? I have read some of Alan Keyes stuff on the subject and I am intruiged by it, but would such a system be workable? What do you think?[/quote]
Sure. Get rid of all taxes. Hell, get rid of the gov't, and start over
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No bloody likely.
Point #1,
The 19th Amendment that allows for the fed
taxing our income was never properly ratified, and therefore holds no force
of law.
However, the fed, fat and happy and drunk on
our tax dollars cares not one whit whether their gyser of free money comes from legal channels, as long as it keeps rolling in.
Now, after decades of spending it faster than
they can unlawfully steal it, they are starting to see at point in the way distant future where the spending will be ever so slightly outstripped by the theft.
So, do they confess the wrong? do they become aware that this money belongs to "We The People" and decide to stop stealing as much because they no longer need to? No, they start comming up with ways to make use of this
"surplus".
There is no surplus, there is no
"Tax Cut".
The federal income tax system is theft under threat of force, or a violent mugging, battery, or what have you. It is certainly a felony, and therefore feds shouldn't be allowed to vote or have guns.
But the laws don't apply to them.
No bloody likely.
Point #1,
The 19th Amendment that allows for the fed
taxing our income was never properly ratified, and therefore holds no force
of law.
However, the fed, fat and happy and drunk on
our tax dollars cares not one whit whether their gyser of free money comes from legal channels, as long as it keeps rolling in.
Now, after decades of spending it faster than
they can unlawfully steal it, they are starting to see at point in the way distant future where the spending will be ever so slightly outstripped by the theft.
So, do they confess the wrong? do they become aware that this money belongs to "We The People" and decide to stop stealing as much because they no longer need to? No, they start comming up with ways to make use of this
"surplus".
There is no surplus, there is no
"Tax Cut".
The federal income tax system is theft under threat of force, or a violent mugging, battery, or what have you. It is certainly a felony, and therefore feds shouldn't be allowed to vote or have guns.
But the laws don't apply to them.
The federal income tax is illegal. That's why I and hundreds of thousands of others have opted out using Irwin Schiff's method without any legal repercussions save an occasional dunning letter from the (I)diots (R)epresenting (S)atan. We have answers to all their specious arguments.
The feds KNOW that there is no law requiring U.S. citizens to surrrender a portion of their labor to Uncle. The whole thing is a scam based on threats.
Once you know how to respond to those threats you are free. "Pay no attention to that little man behind the curtain" -- Wizard of Oz
The feds KNOW that there is no law requiring U.S. citizens to surrrender a portion of their labor to Uncle. The whole thing is a scam based on threats.
Once you know how to respond to those threats you are free. "Pay no attention to that little man behind the curtain" -- Wizard of Oz
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dog3:
The 19th Amendment that allows for the fed
taxing our income was never properly ratified, and therefore holds no force
of law.
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16th. 19th is the one that gave women the vote.
The whole "Was the 16th ratified or not" question is fraught with difficulties; no one seems to know or be able to prove it either way.
Personally, I think taxation is evil. It's confiscation of property at best and armed robbery at worst.
The 19th Amendment that allows for the fed
taxing our income was never properly ratified, and therefore holds no force
of law.
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16th. 19th is the one that gave women the vote.
The whole "Was the 16th ratified or not" question is fraught with difficulties; no one seems to know or be able to prove it either way.
Personally, I think taxation is evil. It's confiscation of property at best and armed robbery at worst.
I believe that "entitlements" (including soc. Security, veterans benefits, and other spending) make up around 50% of all government spending, and withing the next few years will make up around 70% of all spending. I'm not sure about the numbbers, but they were around there.(really wish i still had that government book)
Kris
Kris