Editorial from my local paper

Don P

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December 09, 2007

Gun Control vs. Gun Rights

Restricting arms ownership reasonable

Suspected bank robbers Jack Miller and Frank Layton were long scoped out by federal authorities. On April 18, 1938, they were arrested in Arkansas for carrying an illegal sawed-off shotgun. Their lawyers claimed the law requiring registration of the firearm violated the Second Amendment's guarantee of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms." A district court agreed. But the case went to the U.S. Supreme Court.

The court's unanimous opinion was unequivocal: The Second Amendment was designed as a collective right to bear arms, for individuals involved in state militias -- not as an individual right. Just to be clear, Justice James Clark McReynolds, explaining the decision from the bench the morning he delivered it, said: "We construe the amendment as having relation to military service and we are unable to say that a sawed-off shotgun has any relation to the militia."

The 8-0 opinion included Charles Evans Hughes who, like McReynolds, was a staunch conservative; Louis Brandeis, the court's most liberal voice; Hugo Black, the Antonin Scalia-like literalist of his day; and Felix Frankfurter, a fanatic of judicial restraint.

Perhaps that's why, with that sort of cross-cut unanimity, the court hasn't often felt the need to pick up a Second Amendment case (it has done so directly all of five times, including three in the 19th century), while lower courts overwhelmingly interpreted the amendment as a collective, rather than an individual, right. Perhaps that's also why the Justice Department in 2002, led by then-Attorney General John Ashcroft, made headlines when it unilaterally decided to interpret the Second Amendment as attorneys for Jack Miller and Frank Layton had in their failed defense in 1939.

The Bush administration has narrowed its interpretation of numerous constitutional guarantees. Its interpretation of the Second Amendment is the only exception. The reinterpretation had serious implications, especially in relation to a 1975 ordinance in Washington, D.C., that bans the possession of handguns outright. On Nov. 20, the Supreme Court agreed to hear a case challenging D.C.'s ban, which an appeals court found unconstitutional in March.

A head-on clarification of a constitutional right should never be feared. Interpreting the law is what the Supreme Court does. Second Amendment law is ripe for interpretation because over the decades, the states have used the absence of a clear, modern ruling to carve out their own interpretations. The worry with Chief Justice John Roberts' court is that the 1939 precedent will be merely advisory. Still, it's difficult to imagine even this sometimes reactionary court endorsing a locked-and-loaded reading of the Second Amendment.

No reading supports the opinion that it grants an individual right to bear arms except when the individual is part of an organized group -- a militia or the military. If anything, it's the only amendment that explicitly endorses government regulation on top of a narrowly defined right, for good reason. Assume that individuals had the right to bear arms without regulation. Does that mean individuals have the right to have armories in their basements? Anti-aircraft guns in their backyards? Scud missiles on the family farm? Of course not.

Historically, courts, state and federal legislatures have imposed reasonable limits on the possession of firearms, such as assault weapons between 1994 and 2004. Whether the ban works or not to stop crime is a separate issue. The question is whether government has the authority under the Constitution to impose bans or require that guns be registered or kept locked. It clearly does.

That's not to say that there isn't a case to be made for expanding the individual's right to bear arms. But strict regulations also should be assumed. The First Amendment, after all, has none of the regulatory language of the Second. But limits and regulations on speech -- from libel and slander laws to broadcast regulations to truth-in-advertising and campaign-advertising requirements -- fill a book. The Second Amendment, its importance and value as unquestioned as the rest of the Bill of Rights, needs its own well-regulated book.:cool:
 
And now the replies in three sections

17 comments from other readers:

1. Gunbearer - Ormond BeachEven if the right to own a handgun is removed from the constitition, the same problem will be there. The only people about whom we should worry are those who are going to use the weapon to commit a crime. If a person is going to commit a crime with a handgun, it matters not to him whether it is legal for him to own it, or not. So, only the person who does not want to violate the law will be the one who has no handgun. "Outlaw handguns and only outlaws will have handguns" has never seemed more truthful than it does today.
12/9/2007 2:28:00 AM

2. elaygee - Ormond BeachHow about life in prison without parole for illegaly possessing a gun? That would cut down on the people who have guns that kill over 30,000 Americans every year.
12/9/2007 7:55:00 AM

3. George McEwan - Flagler Beach, FloridaThe meaning of the Second Amendment remains one of the most misunderstood and disputed among the entire Bill of Rights. One key controversy revolves around who is prohibited from infringement and why the Supreme Court has NEVER ruled whether the Second Amendment prohibits individual States from infringing upon this right. Your editorial indicating a 1938 decision by the Supreme Court as being "unequivocal" is misleading. The reality of Gun Control in the United States is that no law exists that precludes the vast majority from firearms ownership or posession. It is my personal opinion that the "good guys" should never be disarmed.
12/9/2007 8:06:00 AM

4. Chris Wiechert - Ormond BeachI see that your on-line version of the paper conveniently omits the article by Alan Gottlieb and Dave Workman that appears on the same page of the printed version.
12/9/2007 8:17:00 AM

5. Jim - TexasHow about life in prison without parole for illegaly possessing a gun? That would cut down on the people who have guns that kill over 30,000 Americans every year. ================================================= How about the Death Penalty for Murder? That will stop Criminals from murdering, huh?
12/9/2007 8:55:00 AM

6. Steve Allison - Silver Sands, FloridaOn the subject of guns and massacres; I have a concealed weapons permit. I notice when traveling that Nebraska does not allow concealed weapons. In my opinion, the best way to combat what happened in your city yesterday is to sensibly arm the law abiding public. I propose a two-tier system, whereas in the first tier, normal licensing rules would apply; in the second tier, license holders would be allowed to carry concealed anywhere, this second tier would entail stricter requirements, including regular handgun training. Your killer yesterday killed 8 innocent victims. I don't know if the above system, if it were to exist in Nebraska, would have saved any of those eight people, but it might have. I would say it is probable that this system would save lives in the future. I wrote similar letters following the Virginia Tech massacre, but time passes and our leaders do nothing. I think this is a sad state of affairs. I would appreciate hearing your thoughts. One of my favorite sayings is "if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got". Change for the better is a good thing.
12/9/2007 9:52:00 AM

7. Randy - Palm CoastBanning guns will work about as well as banning drugs and prostitution has. Those who want it will get it. Even now with the 3 day "cooling off" period to buy a gun, anyone can get a gun today if they wanted. They could probably buy one from the same person selling drugs or prostitutes or just check the classified section of the newspaper. Call up the seller and make a deal and bang, you've got a gun. No 3 day wait, no background check, heck-dont even have to pay sales tax. The government is not able to protect me at all times so dont take away my means to protect myself & my family. If someone kicks in your door and you dial 911 you are going to wait at least 4-5 minutes for the officer to show up. Thats not complaining about the police, thats just the way it is. It takes time for dispatch to process the call and for the police to drive to your house. Thats a long time to deal with an intruder in your home - even longer if your unarmed.
12/9/2007 11:52:00 AM

8. Edward H. Beazley - New Smyrna BeachI agree that it is far too easy for someone to kill another person in a fit of rage with a handgun. I do not agree the focus should be on the sale of handguns. I would have local police officers periodically check the homes of convicted felons for handguns. This could be done by regular patrol officers. I am sure that this would cost less and work better.
12/9/2007 1:13:00 PM
 
The last of the replies

9. Ken Dodge - Palm Coast, FLTo compensate for the News-Journal's inadvertent omission of the Gottlieb/Workman piece regarding District of Columbia v. Heller, here is their press release dated 11/20/07: BELLEVUE, WA ? For the first time in United States history, the Supreme Court will hear a case that should, once and for all, decide the meaning of the Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights, and the Second Amendment Foundation could not be happier. ?We are confident that the high court will rule that the Second Amendment affirms and protects an individual civil right to keep and bear arms,? said SAF founder Alan M. Gottlieb. ?Previous Supreme Court rulings dating back more than a century have consistently referred to the Second Amendment as protective of an individual right, but the case of District of Columbia v. Heller focuses on that issue, and we expect the court to settle the issue once and for all.? The court announced today that it will hear an appeal of the case, in which seven Washington, D.C. residents have sued to overturn the district?s 31-year-old gun ban. In March, the District of Columbia Court of Appeals ruled 2-1 that the ban is unconstitutional because it violates the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. The court further ruled that the amendment does protect an individual right. The ruling set off a firestorm, in which gun control proponents, who had frequently claimed to support a right to keep and bear arms, dropped all pretenses and publicly acknowledged that they do not believe there is such a right protected by the Second Amendment. ?An affirmative ruling by the Supreme Court will probably not be the death knell for the extremist citizen disarmament movement,? Gottlieb said, ?but it will properly cripple their campaign to destroy an important civil right, the one that protects all of our other rights. The insidious effort to strip American citizens of their firearms rights, while at the same time permanently harming public safety must end. ?The Washington, D.C. gun ban has been a monumental failure and the crime statistics prove that,? Gottlieb said. ?For almost 70 years, gun banners have deliberately misinterpreted and misrepresented the high court?s language in the U.S. v Miller ruling in 1939. It is long past the time that this important issue be put to rest, and the Heller case will provide the court with that opportunity.? The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nations oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers and an amicus brief and fund for the Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right. 12/9/2007 1:40:00 PM

10. George J. Dagis - Saugerties, NYWhat do you mean that "The First Amendment, after all, has none of the regulatory language of the Second." ? The first amendment states that CONGRESS shall not establish . . . and yet even LOCAL units of government are restricted from religious displays ?
12/9/2007 2:02:00 PM

11. Joaquin Softly - Atlanta, GAThe Miller decision hinged on the the simple premise that a sawed off shotgun did not have a useful, lawful, or even potentially military, purpose in ordinary usage, and was not considered an "arm." As such, it was excluded from Second Amendment protections, as would brass knuckles and switchblades. To read more into or out of the Miller decision would be to conjur up law, as several lower courts have done erroneously.
12/9/2007 3:34:00 PM

12. Gus - USASecond Amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "Regulate" means "to put in good order." I don't give a flying fig what it means today, it meant that back in 1791. In the context of the Second Amendment, this was the rationale for people to have an uninfringed right to possess (keep) and carry (bear) guns. In battle, a militia that was not "in good order" was a militia in which every ten men would have five guns. That was a problem for the commander, they didn't like that. They wanted their militia well-regulated, put in good order. When danger approached, they would yell "To arms!" That meant, "Get Your Gun!". They didn't want to worry about who had guns & who didn't. They didn't want to yell, "all you guys who have permits...to arms!" Well-regulated == have guns.
12/9/2007 6:51:00 PM

13. lyarbrou - Kansas CityThe editorialist displays a rather amazing ignorance of Second Amendment Law. Laurence Tribe, Harvard Law Professor and leading constitutional scholar, in the 2000 edition of his textbook on American Constitutional Law (chapter 6, page 902) in an extensive section on the topic concludes that the Second Amendment clearly protects a personal right to keep and bear arms. William Van Alstyne, former Duke Law Professor, reached a similar conclusion in an article in the Duke Law Review in 1993 entitled "The Second Amendment and the Personal Right to Arms". Eugene Volokh, UCLA Law professor, in his testimony before the Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution in 1998 also concluded that the Second Amendment protects a personal right to arms. He further notes that 44 state constitutions have similar constructions, most of which unequivocally protect a personal right to arms. An example is the Wisconsin one enacted in 1998 that reads: "The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose." He further notes that the US Supreme Court has never indicated that the Second Amendment does not protect a personal right and has discussed the Miller ruling in detail. Moreover, the current US Code notes that there is the organized and unorganized militia and defines the unorganized militia as all abled men (and women) between the ages of 18 and 45. Alan Dershowitz, another Harvard Law professor, was correct in his observation that "...Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a safety hazard don't see the danger of the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use this same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like...." One would think that newspaper personnel would be aware of how tenuous is the support by the public for the First Amendent these days, as evidenced by polling by The First Amendment Center.
12/9/2007 10:26:00 PM
 
I thought, too many characters, so the balance

14. Jim Gallagher - Sacramento, CAYour "opionion" is just that. Your reading of the Miller case is skewed in the direction you want it to go. Neither Miller nor his attorney were present at the SC. The Justices said "The Court can not take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia; and therefore can not say that the Second Amendment guarantees to the citizen the right to keep and bear such a weapon." This means they had no one tell them if the shotgun was a military weapon. As it turns out, this weapon was used in WW I in trench warefare. Had this information be presented the justices would have declared Miller had a right to the weapon. It is intellectually dishonest to knowingly mislead the public. You should know better.
12/10/2007 1:28:00 AM

15. James Mullen - MarylandFirst, the U.S. Supreme Court HAS NEVER ruled on the whether 2nd amendment is a colllective or individual right. The scope of U.S. vs. Miller was the status of short barreled shotgun and the consitutionality of the GCA 1934. In the Miller ruling the court stated that the people were the Militia, and that they were to appear when called bearing arms supplied by themselves. If the right is not an individual right, then how are we to supply and appear with are own arms supplied by ourselves if the government can ban them? Also, Miller and his attorney never appeared before the court, there was no defense arguments made before the court. Miller was dead and his attorney never even filed a brief with the court. The court heard and made its judgements based on one-sided arguments, the government's argument. Hence the phrase "In the absence of any evidence...". Also the term regulate was in context of being disciplined. Federalist Paper No.29 clearly points this out: "To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss." As far as a narrower interpretation of other rights the author of the article moans about, what are liberals be complaining about? After all, they started the "reasonable restrictions" on rights with the 2nd amendment in an attempt to deny that right. If one right can be diminished, then they all can be diminished!
12/10/2007 11:44:00 AM

16. Rick Zenuch - Tallahassee, FlYou must put yourself in the mindset of the framers of the Constitution. They were fleeing an oppressive and tyranical government. The only way to ensure freedom was to ensure the people's ability to challenge their government, by force if necessary. There is no doubt that the Bill of Rights applies to individual not collective rights. By the way these rights are not "granted" by the government. It was a way of reminding government of who is in charge.
12/10/2007 11:45:00 AM

17. Ben Miner - Fairfax, VAYou claim that the second amendment grants the right for individuals who are involved in a state militia to own guns. First of all, the bill of rights does not "grant" anything; but rather guaruntees inalienable liberties that already exist. And secondly, even if you're right about the requirement to be involved in a militia, that still applies to just about everybody if you read state constitutions to see who is in the militial. (namely every able-bodied male).
12/10/2007 12:26:00 PM :eek::eek::eek:
 
U.S. Code
TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311
Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.


(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
 
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