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EAA Witness ?
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I have one and like it a lot. It is my favorite 9mm out of the six I own, and my most accurate centerfire semiautomatic pistol. Mine is an older one and has a slightly larger frame than my shooting buddy's brand-new CZ75. I don't know if the new ones are a little bit larger like that or not. I enjoy it very much and it has been 100% reliable.
Have 2 both all steel and have the wonder finish, one is a 9m/m that sound like what you are talking about there (then) basic carry pistol, the other is a match target single action in .45 acp. They both get shot regularly and never had non-ammunition related problems so far (thats is 5 and 8 years). They fit my hand well and I find them comfortable shooters, in short I like them a great deal.
I have the EAA Witness Match in 9mm. This is an outstanding, heavy, all steel pistol that is a pleasure to shoot. I have put nearly 10,000 rounds of hand loads through it with nary a problem. Very easy to field strip and clean. It is also a beautiful gun and I get lots of compliments when I take it to the range. You will never find a more accurate 9mm.
I have a Witness Stock 10mm. All of the Tanfoglio guns are carbon steel, not stainless. The ones that look like brushed stainless are actually hard-chromed. This hard-chrome finish is a great finish and in my opinion much better than stainless since it is considerably more scratch resistant.
My Stock 10mm is my 2nd favorite semi-auto handgun of all of the ones I own; second only to my Sig X-Five 9mm. I would love to have a Stock I in 9mm as well. While the prices on all of the Witness models have increased significantly over the past few years, I still consider them good values for the quality you get.
My Stock 10mm is my 2nd favorite semi-auto handgun of all of the ones I own; second only to my Sig X-Five 9mm. I would love to have a Stock I in 9mm as well. While the prices on all of the Witness models have increased significantly over the past few years, I still consider them good values for the quality you get.
cougar gt-e
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I have 3 about to get a 4th.
Excellent design, being an "improved" cz75 pattern it's intrinsically accurate. They are easier to detail strip than a cz, but the da trigger will never be as good factory to factory. But, a worked over eaa will be much better than a cz.
IMHO, they require a detail strip and polish, then lighter springs to really shine. (Brian enos forum tanfo section has detailed instructions in various posts) A 14# wolf hammer spring, light firing pin spring, trim 2 coils off the plunger spring and a 9-10# recoil spring will result in a reliable gun with 8 1/2# da and 4# sa trigger. Cost for that is only about 25-30 bucks. Aftermarket parts can bring that down to 6#da 2 1/2#sa at a higher cost.
As you can tell, I'm a strong proponent if the tanfoglio version of the cz75 pattern!
Excellent design, being an "improved" cz75 pattern it's intrinsically accurate. They are easier to detail strip than a cz, but the da trigger will never be as good factory to factory. But, a worked over eaa will be much better than a cz.
IMHO, they require a detail strip and polish, then lighter springs to really shine. (Brian enos forum tanfo section has detailed instructions in various posts) A 14# wolf hammer spring, light firing pin spring, trim 2 coils off the plunger spring and a 9-10# recoil spring will result in a reliable gun with 8 1/2# da and 4# sa trigger. Cost for that is only about 25-30 bucks. Aftermarket parts can bring that down to 6#da 2 1/2#sa at a higher cost.
As you can tell, I'm a strong proponent if the tanfoglio version of the cz75 pattern!
chris in va
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I didn't care for the sharp edges on my 45 version, and the absurdly tall rear sight threw off my aim.
I've had and have, about seven Tanfoglio/Witness guns, and all of them were great. I have two pre-Witness 9mms now, both marked "Mossad" in compact and fullsized. I've had 9mm Witnesses in both the old small frame and current large frame, along with a .45 and a .40. Never had a single issue with any of them. I only sold them due to needing cash.
I’ve owned 3 Witness pistols, 9mm, .38 Super and .45. They’re certainly one of the best buys out there ….. until something goes wrong with one.
EAA has a well-earned reputation for the worst customer service in the industry. If you Google “EAA” and “customer service”, you’ll see some real horror stories.
After EAA refused to repair my .45 – bought new from one of their distributors – I sold the 9mm and the Super, rather than take the chance that I’d have to deal with their rude “gunsmith” again. The .45 is a safe queen.
Some people do get good service from them. You might be one of the lucky ones.
EAA has a well-earned reputation for the worst customer service in the industry. If you Google “EAA” and “customer service”, you’ll see some real horror stories.
After EAA refused to repair my .45 – bought new from one of their distributors – I sold the 9mm and the Super, rather than take the chance that I’d have to deal with their rude “gunsmith” again. The .45 is a safe queen.
Some people do get good service from them. You might be one of the lucky ones.
rt11002003
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Mine is the Witness Elite Limited to which I added the Henning flat trigger package. I purchased the Limited in order to mount a rail/mount for using a red dot system; the Limited comes drilled and tapped for a rail/mount. Makes a super setup when using a Burris FastFire red dot. After shooting the Limited about 200 rounds, I tried removing the slide for cleaning the gun. The iron sights on the slide won't clear the rail/mount; had to remove it to clean the gun. The rail/mount is an after market one I got off GB.
My shooting buddy has the Elite, which is almost identical to the Elite Limited. It does not have holes drilled and tapped for rail/mount. If one is going to stay with iron sights, the plain Elite is the way to go; less cost, same performance.
I did a bit of polishing the internals on my Limited; my buddy has experimented with polishing, springs, etc. I can't tell much difference in shooting the guns, except that I shoot much better with a red dot.
In Dec., I bought a STI MatchMaster which came with a rail/mount and a CMore red dot. The CMore is much superior to my Burris FastFire. So the Burris will go back on my S&W Model 41 and I'll get a CMore for my Limited.
I also own a couple of CZ's: a CZ75TS and a CZ75 SP-01 Shadow Target ll. The Witnesses and the CZ's are both great guns.
My shooting buddy has the Elite, which is almost identical to the Elite Limited. It does not have holes drilled and tapped for rail/mount. If one is going to stay with iron sights, the plain Elite is the way to go; less cost, same performance.
I did a bit of polishing the internals on my Limited; my buddy has experimented with polishing, springs, etc. I can't tell much difference in shooting the guns, except that I shoot much better with a red dot.
In Dec., I bought a STI MatchMaster which came with a rail/mount and a CMore red dot. The CMore is much superior to my Burris FastFire. So the Burris will go back on my S&W Model 41 and I'll get a CMore for my Limited.
I also own a couple of CZ's: a CZ75TS and a CZ75 SP-01 Shadow Target ll. The Witnesses and the CZ's are both great guns.
Northrider
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I have a Tanfoglio .45/.22 combo that I like very much. Does not matter which slide and barrel I have on the gun, it functions flawlessly. The weight, balance, and ease of take-down make it one of my favorite guns.
Some folks complain about EAA's customer service. Not, Tanfoglio, mind you, EAA - the importer. I really don't doubt these claims, although I have had a positive experience ordering extra magazines directly from EAA.
Still, I never put too much value or credence in "customer service" when buying guns. I purchased an AC556, and a few years after buying it, Ruger announces that it is no longer supporting/servicing this firearm. Colt is no longer capable of servicing many of the guns it manufactured, certainly not able to replicate the fit and finish that it once achieved on its Pythons. Boberg suddenly announces that it is selling out to Bond Arms - customer service is non-existent...for now.
My point is that if you think you are buying a warranty and customer service, then you are (IMHO) focused on the wrong thing. Buy the gun! If its a good quality gun and you like it, then buy it. And, buy all the spare parts you can for it. Because, some day, regardless of the manufacturer, I can assure you that there will be no CS for that gun. But, if it's a really good gun and you have spare parts, it doesn't matter.
Still, I never put too much value or credence in "customer service" when buying guns. I purchased an AC556, and a few years after buying it, Ruger announces that it is no longer supporting/servicing this firearm. Colt is no longer capable of servicing many of the guns it manufactured, certainly not able to replicate the fit and finish that it once achieved on its Pythons. Boberg suddenly announces that it is selling out to Bond Arms - customer service is non-existent...for now.
My point is that if you think you are buying a warranty and customer service, then you are (IMHO) focused on the wrong thing. Buy the gun! If its a good quality gun and you like it, then buy it. And, buy all the spare parts you can for it. Because, some day, regardless of the manufacturer, I can assure you that there will be no CS for that gun. But, if it's a really good gun and you have spare parts, it doesn't matter.
Dfariswheel
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The Tanfoglio guns currently imported by EAA have been around for a good many years and often are listed as a "best buy" for the price/quality.
The current version with the universal large frame is overbuilt for the 9mm so you should have no problems with it.
One brand you might at least look at before buying is the Canik/Tristar made in Turkey.
These have forged slides, frames, and barrels where the EAA has cast slides and frames.
The Tristar comes in a number of models, varying mostly in external appearance.
The standard models are available in aluminum or steel frames, and are very close to the original CZ-75 in design and size.
The finish. even the "chrome" appears to actually be Cerakote.
I like the Canik/Tristar because it's like the early CZ-75 and doesn't have an accessory rail, which I can't stand.
These are getting very good reviews and one is on my "to buy" list.
As an added advantage, Cajun Gun Works does upgrades to the trigger and other custom work that puts them on a much higher level.
The current version with the universal large frame is overbuilt for the 9mm so you should have no problems with it.
One brand you might at least look at before buying is the Canik/Tristar made in Turkey.
These have forged slides, frames, and barrels where the EAA has cast slides and frames.
The Tristar comes in a number of models, varying mostly in external appearance.
The standard models are available in aluminum or steel frames, and are very close to the original CZ-75 in design and size.
The finish. even the "chrome" appears to actually be Cerakote.
I like the Canik/Tristar because it's like the early CZ-75 and doesn't have an accessory rail, which I can't stand.
These are getting very good reviews and one is on my "to buy" list.
As an added advantage, Cajun Gun Works does upgrades to the trigger and other custom work that puts them on a much higher level.
I was impressed with my gals EAA Provona (Witness) so much i may get a SAR or other Witness variant.
I own a CZ75B and the Witness offers may of the great CZ attributes. The Provona's trigger out of the box is better single action than my polished and worked CZ trigger. Double action the pull is stiffer but I would imagine it will improve in time.
I own a CZ75B and the Witness offers may of the great CZ attributes. The Provona's trigger out of the box is better single action than my polished and worked CZ trigger. Double action the pull is stiffer but I would imagine it will improve in time.
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