Drop tests, released strikers and dead triggers

OhioGuy

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See this brief video: https://youtu.be/5YPYjox5qIo

I've seen a number of tests like this...and on forums, videos are often backed by owners of the same gun trying to replicate the tests, some saying "it's a fraud, this video has an agenda!" and others saying "yup, that happens to me too."

I'm gonna try this on my own PPQ tonight... :)

So here's a simple question from someone who's not that up to speed on the internals of striker fired guns.

If a striker gun is smacked or dropped (PPQ or otherwise), and the striker falls as it does in this video, resulting in a dead trigger but no bang, is this an illustration of the gun being poorly designed, or an indication that the internal striker block safeties work as intended?

One forum discussed this video at length, with numerous people trying this with a live round (hopefully at a range!!! they never said! :eek:). Several said that with hard smacks they replicated the dead trigger result, meaning the striker had decocked. But nobody ever had the gun discharge. Presumably then, this would also have been the case had the gun been dropped vertically onto the ground.

So this would say to me that yes, it's possible to disengage the striker unintentionally, but that if this happens, the gun will not fire because the internal striker block mechanism is functioning as it's intended, and is indeed preventing the striker from firing the round.

Furthermore, the "dingus' in the trigger safety would keep the trigger from falling rearward under the inertia of a drop (which was exactly what didn't happen to the P320, right?).

Some people who commented on this video freaked out and said they were selling their PPQs immediately. Others said "meh, it's unlikely this would ever happen in real life, and even if it somehow did, all this video shows is that the internal safety works as Walther and God intended, and this gun will not fire without the trigger being pulled."

I guess I'd side with the latter opinion.

Am I understanding this properly?
 
Does the PPQ have a striker block safety? I dont know the innards of that pistol at all.

If it has a striker block that is designed to intercept the striker, then the gun should not fire if the striker slips off the catch.
 
OhioGuy said:
If a striker gun is smacked or dropped (PPQ or otherwise), and the striker falls as it does in this video, resulting in a dead trigger but no bang, is this an illustration of the gun being poorly designed, or an indication that the internal striker block safeties work as intended?
I'll go with what's behind door #2. :)

I would like confirmation that the striker won't fire the round, however. [EDIT] +1 Sharkbite.
OhioGuy said:
One forum discussed this video at length, with numerous people trying this with a live round (hopefully at a range!!! they never said! ).
Hopefully someone will try it with blanks, or an empty primed case (case + primer, no bullet or powder). The latter is safer but may require a little coaxing into the chamber, because an empty case probably won't feed from the magazine.
 
It would be better if the striker couldn't unintentionally strike, but that is indeed why the block exists. Block functioned properly and though the dead trigger is undesirable it's a good example of why redundant overlapping safeties exist.

Ideally my striker wouldn't strike without a trigger pull, but I guess not every gun can be a Glock.:cool::p
 
Tap, rack, bang exists for a reason. As far as I'm concerned as long as the round doesn't discharge it worked properly.


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PPQ safeties worked as they should. :) One never knows what will happen with functionality of any pistol in more extreme conditions. If I dropped any of my pistols or it was subject to an extreme blow, I would not be surprised that it would malfunction and would probably assume so and go from there.

This was brought up on the Walther Forum and the reaction was a big yawn.
 
Drop tests were invented by the assorted anti-firearm gangs to prove handguns are evil things that will go bang all by themselves. It's like using statistics to prove any point. Anything can be proven with 'em.
 
Drop tests were invented by the assorted anti-firearm gangs to prove handguns are evil things that will go bang all by themselves.

Not exactly. They became mandatory for the US Military after an early S&W revolver was dropped onto a ship deck in the Navy and discharged, killing another sailor. S&W redesigned their DA revolvers because of this incident.
 
Not exactly. They became mandatory for the US Military after an early S&W revolver was dropped onto a ship deck in the Navy and discharged, killing another sailor. S&W redesigned their DA revolvers because of this incident.
It's a little known fact that this particular revolver was actually a very early prototype of the Sig P320. It's all over the Internet! Get your facts straight!!! :D:D:D
 
PPQ safeties worked as they should. :) One never knows what will happen with functionality of any pistol in more extreme conditions. If I dropped any of my pistols or it was subject to an extreme blow, I would not be surprised that it would malfunction and would probably assume so and go from there.

This was brought up on the Walther Forum and the reaction was a big yawn.
Yeah that was my take on it too. If anything, this video (and others, for other guns) has actually increased my confidence in the safety of PPQs and similar. (Except for the P320, which will escape from its safe and murder me in my sleep).
 
The Take Away--don't hit your gun on the back of the slide with a rubber mallet. Don't drop said gun on the back of the slide from 18" in. or more in height. If you do recock it.

tipoc
 
OhioGuy said:
(Except for the P320, which will escape from its safe and murder me in my sleep).
Pardon the thread hijack, but I've begun wondering if P320 AD's will enter long-term gun lore alongside Glock .40 kB!'s and Beretta 92 slides flying off: the problem was fixed long ago and actual instances are legitimately rare, but people will persist in talking about it like it could happen any second if you shoot one... :rolleyes:
 
The Take Away--don't hit your gun on the back of the slide with a rubber mallet. Don't drop said gun on the back of the slide from 18" in. or more in height. If you do recock it.

tipoc
What's the point of carrying a gun if you aren't going to smack it with a hammer? Isn't that what hammer fired means???
 
the problem was fixed long ago and actual instances are legitimately rare

The problem wasn't fixed long ago as of now, given that the voluntary recall just started turning around pistols a few weeks ago. While I get what you're saying about eventually, we're not at eventually yet. We're not talking about an issue decades in the past.
 
If a striker gun is smacked or dropped (PPQ or otherwise), and the striker falls as it does in this video, resulting in a dead trigger but no bang, is this an illustration of the gun being poorly designed, or an indication that the internal striker block safeties work as intended?
It is an indication that internal passive safeties worked as intended. Ideally a drop wouldn't cause the striker to fall at all, but it's hard to complain if the safeties prevent a discharge.
...trying this with a live round...
Under no circumstances should drop testing take place with a live round. It's simply a risk that no one needs to take. If you must have absolute confirmation of what happened, use a primed round with no powder or bullet AND wear hearing and eye protection.
Furthermore, the "dingus' in the trigger safety would keep the trigger from falling rearward under the inertia of a drop (which was exactly what didn't happen to the P320, right?).
The problem with a trigger system that can be operated by inertia is that typical passive safeties are deactivated by the trigger. So if a drop causes the trigger to be operated, the trigger can not only drop the striker; it can also deactivate the passive internal safeties allowing the gun to fire as well.

There has to be something that keeps the trigger mechanism from moving due to inertia or the passive safeties are not going to offer the protection they should. In the Glock system, for example, one of the main functions of the trigger safety is to lock the trigger bar in place against inertial forces.
Others said "meh, it's unlikely this would ever happen in real life, and even if it somehow did, all this video shows is that the internal safety works as Walther and God intended, and this gun will not fire without the trigger being pulled."
That sounds like a reasonable assessment to me.
 
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