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My ideal CCW would have these characteristics: Autoloader, compact, 9mm or greater, DA/SA, two-stage manual decocker, 10+ round capacity, magazine safety, shots left indicator (like a camera), a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time. Okay, scratch the last two. ;)

Any names come to mind?
 
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My ideal CCW would have these characteristics: Autoloader, compact, 9mm or greater, DA/SA, two-stage manual decocker, 10+ round capacity, magazine safety.

Any names come to mind?
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Well, I've got no idea what a two-stage decocker is (as opposed to a normal decocker?), and magazine safties are pretty much non-existent nowadays (and incredibly stupid), but here goes:

HK USP compacts
SigSauer P228/229
CZ75 PCR
Beretta 8000F Cougar
Beretta 92 Compact L
S&W 910, 5906TSW, 5903TSW,

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, they have everything but the mag safety. Come to think of it, the S&W pistols might have magazine safties, I'm not sure -- the old ones used to for a while.
 
In a two-stage decocker you manually decock and sterilize (engage the safety of) the gun by pushing the decock lever in one direction. Re-enabling the gun requires you to push the decock lever back to its original position (e.g., Bersa Thunder 380).

In a single-stage decocker the lever decocks the pistol, but automatically returns to its original (gun enabled) position immediately after that (e.g., CZ75 D PCR)

I've heard some compelling arguments to the effect that magazine safeties are obsolete, impractical, ill-advised, and whatever; but I am not thoroughly convinced. In fact, several NDs have involved empty magazine wells. And if you want the option to fire a chambered round in a tactical/combat situation where the magazine has accidentally dropped free, maybe you ought to look hard at the cause of the accidental drop, and rectify that. :cool:
 
I've always heard those called "decocking safties" because they are both safties and decockers.

In that case you can scratch the SigSauers and PCR (decocker but no manual safety), but the other guns I listed have combination safties/decockers that work in the manner you described.

Aside from S&W autos, the only guns I've heard of with magazine safties are some Star/Firestar semi-autos, some S&W autos and the Browning High Power.
 
Looking at your dream guns specs, am I correct in assuming you're an attorney?;)

The only weapon which meets your specs completely is a S&W auto. It may be a lackluster shooter, but includes every safety bell and whistle you could ask for.

Most people's dream gun have a certain high degree of accuracy, ergonomics, reliability or just style. How did you arrive at your dreamy characteristics? Are you sure they're all necessary or even useful? Why the overriding concern with external safety features?
 
Well, since you just described MY carry gun, I'll tell you what you are asking...

Mine's a Smith $ Wesson 9mm "5904"...

EVERYTHING you asked for... (the 5906 is the same gun, in Stasinless...)


.40 cal, it's the "4004" and "4006" (4 for black, 6 for stainless)

.45 cal it's the "4504" and "4506"...

PLEASE buy a used version... DO NOT support the "post deal" S&W...

These can even be had in hi capacity versions (over 10 round) in the 9mm and .40 versions...)


these are EVERYTHING you asked for, and I posess one of EACH of them... (a 5904, a 4006, and a 4506) and all seem to be VERY accurate, and have some pretty SWEET triggers...

My 5904 even has the "Novak" adjustable low-profile sights from the factory!

look around... I JUST found my .40 and .45 for sale in a gunshop in Royal Oak MI.... and paid about a grand for the pair...
 
Handy:

You said:
"Most people's dream gun have a certain high degree of accuracy, ergonomics, reliability or just style."
Oh, you mean I have to state the obvious as well?

"How did you arrive at your dreamy characteristics? Are you sure they're all necessary or even useful? Why the overriding concern with external safety features?"
Simple...
1) It provides me with more options. Namely, I can carry it enabled (like my CZ) or disabled (like my 1911) as I see fit. I can safely carry it without a holster (like my Bersa). I can safely have a round in the chamber without the magazine in place; which means I only need to slip the mag in to enable it (again, like my Bersa).
2) I haven't been shooting that long. My learning curve hasn't reached the upper plateau yet. I still need a lot of tactical training. The gun I described suits me well at this time, and may remain so until such a time as when I am a bold, expert, master of arms like you. :cool:
 
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Getting a gun with a magazine safety so you can carry without a holster doesn't seem that useful to me. I would also carry in a holster, even if the gun is kept in a pocket.

I believe that true safety is between the ears. The "safety features" of a gun are for unfortunate circumstances (rough conditions, rare holster failures, etc.) and when our concentration lapses.

Still, I am glad that you thought of safety in design.
 
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Perhaps I wasn't clear. Getting a gun with a magazine safety so that I can carry it without a holster was not the idea I wanted to convey. For that purpose I want the two-stage decocker.

On the other hand, the mag safety may come in handy during a tactical reload (when you need to flex at the wrist and point away from your target). I still don't see why anyone would want to be able to fire a chambered round while reloading---especially during a high-stress, life-threatening encounter, with innocent folks standing just outside the sight picture. If you want to be able to fire at your target, then fire at it! Eliminate the danger now! Don't wait till you have the opportunity to reload. If you needed to fire it while reloading, then the opportunity to reload wasn't there to begin with (or at least you shouldn't have perceived it as one).

:cool:
 
Actually, my thoughts were more about the advantages of simplicity. Safety features can become a liability if you rely too heavily on them or if they cause confusion in a tense moment.

With the weapon you outlined, if you were to draw and fire and nothing happened, you would be forced to check safety, mag seating, etc. With other simpler designs there is less chance of confusion.

I would also add that more parts mean more to break, tying up your pistol.

While my post was a little cheaky, it was really posed as a question to determine whether the need for all that stuff was worth limiting your selection of pistol so severly. Sorry to offend.
 
My H&K P7M8 is my dream gun except that it's a little heavy. That's why I bought a G36 (One stop shots but only 6 chances). The G17 is for home defense (High Cap, low flash and low recoil). The PPK is for when I go to the movies and am otherwise unarmed (small but effective). OK, if their was only one dream gun then I wouldn't have several toys to play with.
 
My dream handgun is the one that keeps showing up in movies.
I don't know who makes it.

But it is...
The size of a compact 9mm.
Has almost no recoil.
Doesn't need to be reloaded.
And if someone is shot with it they are knocked off their feet and slamed back about 10 feet:eek:

Thats my dream gun:D
 
notbubba:

Your dream gun sounds like James Bond's Walther, only that's a .380 :D

And it takes only one shot to kill. Every time. (Or is it that wonderful placement of his?).

LOL
 
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I thought Ian Fleming made Bond's Walther PPK a .32?

Anyway, this just shows how people's opinions differ. Mine would be: Autoloader, compact, 9mm or greater, SA, NO decocker, 10+ round capacity, NO magazine disconnect, lightweight, good trigger with short reconnect, and above all, utterly reliable.

I usually carry either my BHP (upgraded to modern standards with no mag disconnect) or a Glock 26. Neither is an absolutely perfect fit with my criteria, but they meet my needs.

Until rayguns some such become available, I'll just have to make do with what I have. ;)
 
for ME, my Smitty semi-auto's (up to 4 now) would be perfect if ONLY they didn't have the magazine disconnects... that is the ONLY feature on my Smitty's I dislike...

and damn if my 5904, my 4006, my 4506, and my new 5906 don't ALL have it...

(I am looking in to having it removed...)
 
CastleBravo, one of my needs is "utter reliability."

My last - and I do mean last - Colt was a .45 Gov't Model that perfectly embodied the term "Jammamatic." Now, maybe one lemon shouldn't turn me off on a manufacturer, but Colt's preposterous, incompetent, and downright rude customer warranty NON-service lost me as a Colt customer forever. :mad:

Now, if you'd said a Les Baer LW Stinger, on the other hand... ;)
 
My Dream Gun is the FN Five-seveN(5.7x28). 20rnd Capacity, Armor Piercing, medium size frame and since last but not least I can only have it in my dreams(since I'm a civilian and it is LE and Military only) :( . That last one definitly makes it a dream gun.

If I can ever get my Grendel P-30(.22Mag) to fire reliably and accurately then I'll be close to having my Dream Gun. 30rnd Capacity per magazine. I just hope it doesn't break, cause "thar ain't no parts nowhar."

l8r,
22x9 (drinkin' and surfin')
 
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