Double taps - got tips?
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gearhounds
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Practice, practice, practice. Mine really improved a few years back when I discovered thumbs forward, but I understand it is not the cure all for everyone. Try not to look through your sights, but over top of them. Since, for the most part, double taps are a close range phenomenon, they are best done instinctively. No doubt, aimed fire will result in tighter groups, but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised how well close range shooting can be done with instinctive point shooting.
Thanks gearhounds.
I think my biggest problem is managing recoil for quick follow up shots.
I mostly practice double taps with my G17, so recoil shouldn't really be an issue ... but it is.
"Thumbs forward" is a good tip and a technique I already use.
"Looking over the sights" is another good one ... I'll have to try that.
I think my biggest problem is managing recoil for quick follow up shots.
I mostly practice double taps with my G17, so recoil shouldn't really be an issue ... but it is.
"Thumbs forward" is a good tip and a technique I already use.
"Looking over the sights" is another good one ... I'll have to try that.
chadstrickland
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And it may just be me but if I am only shooting at 1 individual target I practice two sets of double taps or as the army now likes to call them "controlled pair" 
Onething if you are using a glock is with thumbs forward turn the support hand forward more and set strong hand thumb on back more.. This makes the weak hand pull the sights down and then the wrists dont move together. Some people do thumbs forward(I did) but have the strong hand thumb not back enough. moving it back more helped me.
Should look like this
Should look like this
May I suggest that you try triple taps. Two quick shots to center mass and by the time the third round is released you are usually looking at a head shot due to muzzle rise. I was taught that procedure while in the employ of a Federal Agency and I practiced and have come to really like it for eliminating your threat.
chadstrickland
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Will have to try this, the is certainly intriguing, if only I can learn to do it properly
The whole point of a double tap is to pull the trigger for the second shot before the recoil momentum of the first moves the gun.That means you don't wait at all for the second shot ! don't wait for the sights to line up perfectly, don't wait for anything.Double tap of course is for close range fast shooting.
chadstrickland
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Perhaps he ment that the shooter hasn't felt the full effect of the recoil...as in it happens so fast you don't realize it...idk
A double tap is two aimed shots.
If you want to get better, compete. Join your local USPSA or IDPA league. Get squadded with shooters who are better shooters than you are.
The pressure of shooting in front of the peanut gallery will, at first, make you want to rush. You'll make mistakes, drop shots, etc. Eventually, you'll reach the frustration point and begin to work hard to see where each shot goes, quickly.
From my experience, people put way too much emphasis on how quickly they shoot, and don't bother to put emphasis on where those quick shots end up. Walking along your targets as they're scored with your squad as the RO calls out "one Alpha, one miss, one Charlie, one miss" makes the lesson sink in. Learn to see your front sight all the time- up and down in recoil. Focus on that.
BTW, first shot aimed, second shot unaimed is "The Hammer".
If you want to get better, compete. Join your local USPSA or IDPA league. Get squadded with shooters who are better shooters than you are.
The pressure of shooting in front of the peanut gallery will, at first, make you want to rush. You'll make mistakes, drop shots, etc. Eventually, you'll reach the frustration point and begin to work hard to see where each shot goes, quickly.
From my experience, people put way too much emphasis on how quickly they shoot, and don't bother to put emphasis on where those quick shots end up. Walking along your targets as they're scored with your squad as the RO calls out "one Alpha, one miss, one Charlie, one miss" makes the lesson sink in. Learn to see your front sight all the time- up and down in recoil. Focus on that.
BTW, first shot aimed, second shot unaimed is "The Hammer".
practice, practice, practice. Thats all there is to it. Start shooting fast pairs over and over. You will get faster pretty quickly. I started shooting faster about a month ago. Now I shoot WAY faster than I did and with no loss of accuracy. THere is a reason top competitors shoot thousands of rounds. Its take a LOT of practice to get good.
I know there are photos of this somewhere .When a pistol like a 1911 is fired the slide comes back and the bullet leaves the barrel BEFORE the slide goes all the way back and stops against the frame.During that slide movement almost no recoil is felt. The real recoil starts when the slide hits the frame .The slide returns and when it is fully in battary you can fire again.
However it takes time for the frame to move back and before it does completely the gun is still on target for the second shot .
In theory then the second shot is made before momentum of the slide takes the gun off target. If you wait the gun goes off target !!
It's BANGBANG , not BANG, BANG !
It 's for close in , don't worry about precise aiming, no time for that.
However it takes time for the frame to move back and before it does completely the gun is still on target for the second shot .
In theory then the second shot is made before momentum of the slide takes the gun off target. If you wait the gun goes off target !!
It's BANGBANG , not BANG, BANG !
It 's for close in , don't worry about precise aiming, no time for that.It's a fact even if I don't explain it well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqM_0uYG4Kg&feature=related
Watch the difference between slow fire [muzzle rises high] in this video ,and rapid fire [muzzle rises only a small bit].
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqM_0uYG4Kg&feature=related
Watch the difference between slow fire [muzzle rises high] in this video ,and rapid fire [muzzle rises only a small bit].
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Catfishman
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Post #5 - The picture of the thumbs forward grip.
Isn't the strong hand too high?
I know you're supposed to grip it as high as you can, but the top thumb appears to be beside the slide. Am I missing something?
Isn't the strong hand too high?
I know you're supposed to grip it as high as you can, but the top thumb appears to be beside the slide. Am I missing something?
WANT A LCR 22LR
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Are you shooting at human shaped targets? Real BG don't have a "shoot here" x on them so the standard circular targets are out. A 1/2 man size at 12 ft is my usual practice with a couple of tries at longer / shorter distance.
The indoor range I sometimes use has a spot were the target will move around in the ventilation path. This gets used for real life moving target practice as the BG is unlikely to just stand there. Another practice trick is to turn the target over then run the target cable to where the light is shining from the back. This gives a shadow effect with fuzzy edge lines making it a bit more difficult pick out the center of the target. ( A real life situation might not have perfect lighting. )
The indoor range I sometimes use has a spot were the target will move around in the ventilation path. This gets used for real life moving target practice as the BG is unlikely to just stand there. Another practice trick is to turn the target over then run the target cable to where the light is shining from the back. This gives a shadow effect with fuzzy edge lines making it a bit more difficult pick out the center of the target. ( A real life situation might not have perfect lighting. )
irish52084
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For me to improve, I changed my grip. I get as high and tight a grip as I can with as much surface area of my hands on the frame of the gun as possible. I find that my grip changes slightly for different pistols, but the principle is the same. Get as much contact between the pistol and your hands as possible and as high as possible and grip it firmly. I don't try to push pull the gun or any of that, I grip it hard like I probably will under stress. I certainly shoot much better now than I ever did before and most of it was grip adjustment.
Unless you're thumbs are pressing really hard against the slide, it shouldn't affect the function of the pistol. If you have a pistol like the the CZ75 with the slide inside the frame, you can get your thumbs a little higher.
Unless you're thumbs are pressing really hard against the slide, it shouldn't affect the function of the pistol. If you have a pistol like the the CZ75 with the slide inside the frame, you can get your thumbs a little higher.