Double Tap Speed
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VictorLouis
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Geez 'Beer, define "sucks". I think that if your rounds are much further apart than 3"-5" at 5yds., then you are going too fast. If they are spread 1"-2" at that distance, then maybe you can afford to speed it up a bit.
Art Eatman
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Are you working from a Weaver stance? It's obvious that in order for the shots to be close together, recoil must be controlled. To be fast AND have the shots hit close together, stance and grip must be correct.
Quitting cigarettes and coffee helps.
I've always seen it work that you start slow and focus on "smooth". With repetition, speed just naturally develops.
It helps if you have an experienced shooter critique you as you shoot, and make suggestions about possible errors or ways to improve. For dry-fire practice at home, work in front of a mirror.
From out of the past, in the days before "race guns" and plastic-bucket holsters: I saw people take a pistol-shooting course, who had never before shot a pistol. Approximately 750 rounds over three days. One gal shot a perfect-score, eight-second El Presidente.
I've seen folks with IDPA style 1911s and holsters, using IPSC Major power factor ammo, shoot perfect-score five-second El Presidentes, and 1.03-second "Double Trouble" as in the Steel Challenge (Draw and fire one shot on each of two steel plates at five yards).
So: Focus, and practice. And practice. You can "get there".
Hope this helps, Art
Quitting cigarettes and coffee helps.
I've always seen it work that you start slow and focus on "smooth". With repetition, speed just naturally develops.
It helps if you have an experienced shooter critique you as you shoot, and make suggestions about possible errors or ways to improve. For dry-fire practice at home, work in front of a mirror.
From out of the past, in the days before "race guns" and plastic-bucket holsters: I saw people take a pistol-shooting course, who had never before shot a pistol. Approximately 750 rounds over three days. One gal shot a perfect-score, eight-second El Presidente.
I've seen folks with IDPA style 1911s and holsters, using IPSC Major power factor ammo, shoot perfect-score five-second El Presidentes, and 1.03-second "Double Trouble" as in the Steel Challenge (Draw and fire one shot on each of two steel plates at five yards).
So: Focus, and practice. And practice. You can "get there".
Hope this helps, Art
Art Eatman wrote
"I've always seen it work that you start slow and focus on "smooth". With repetition, speed just naturally develops
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I have found this to be true as well. It is one of the principles of Tai Chi Chuan.
Ronin
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NRA/GOA
"I've always seen it work that you start slow and focus on "smooth". With repetition, speed just naturally develops
>>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>
I have found this to be true as well. It is one of the principles of Tai Chi Chuan.
Ronin
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NRA/GOA
Rainbow Six
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I usually practice quick controlled pairs instead of double taps. That's the best way I have found to get better and faster at double taps. A controlled pair consists of two aimed shots and can be quite fast and is very accurate. A double tap is an aimed shot with a quick unaimed follow up which can be quicker but not as accurate. How accurate is an unaimed shot anyway? I mean, you can't hit what you're aiming at if you're not aiming at anything.
By bringing the sights back on target as fast as possible during a controlled pair you learn better control. You will eventually, out of necessity, develope a grip and stance that helps to control recoil better so that you bring the sights back onto target quicker. As you develope your controlled pair skills your unaimed double tap should also improve.
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The Glock freak formerly known as Chris...
By bringing the sights back on target as fast as possible during a controlled pair you learn better control. You will eventually, out of necessity, develope a grip and stance that helps to control recoil better so that you bring the sights back onto target quicker. As you develope your controlled pair skills your unaimed double tap should also improve.
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The Glock freak formerly known as Chris...
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
Art and Rainbow both speak wisdom...
"What's fast? Smooth is fast."
"What's fast? Smooth is fast."
Rosco Benson
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Since you note that you're using a DA revolver; If your revolver has had a "spring kit" installed in it to reduce the trigger pull weight, then you may be handicapped by a mushy and slow trigger return. The spring kits usually include a reduced-power rebound spring and these work against providing the swift and positive trigger return that is needed for fast revolver shooting.
Rosco
Rosco
Here’s what I learned from some pretty good teachers:
A controlled pair is two shots in rapid succession. The entire sequence – sight picture, alignment, controlled surprise break, occur for each shot. Skill level and the size and distance of the target determine the speed.
The Hammer is an exercise in timing. When a handgun is fired the muzzle rises then comes down BELOW the line of sight, then back up (if an isometric tension grip and stance are used such as a Weaver, Chapman, or some variations of an Isosceles). For the Hammer you find the timing to let your second shot off as the alignment is crossed on the way down. It doesn’t really work if the grip and stance aren’t consistent. The more consistent you are and the better your timing, the greater the range you can place your shots together. Even relative novices can place their shots within four or five inches at three yards if they observe the basics. The magnificently skilled seem to be radar guided. I saw a demonstration by a master in the early eighties. Twelve yards, two and one half to four inches apart, three times, WITH HIS EYES CLOSED. He did it as a demonstration of muscle memory, not to show off.
At the highest skill levels, the two techniques seem to merge. These shooters always seem to control every shot. I believe that the rise of the compensated pistol in competition has led to taking the hammer out of the repertoire for most competition shooters.
The Hammer might not have much use anymore, but it was a great stunt and loads of fun to learn. I burned a lot of powder, made a lot of dirty brass and had a ball learning.
"Smooth is five sixths of speed" - Ray Chapman, teacher and first practical pistol world champion.
A controlled pair is two shots in rapid succession. The entire sequence – sight picture, alignment, controlled surprise break, occur for each shot. Skill level and the size and distance of the target determine the speed.
The Hammer is an exercise in timing. When a handgun is fired the muzzle rises then comes down BELOW the line of sight, then back up (if an isometric tension grip and stance are used such as a Weaver, Chapman, or some variations of an Isosceles). For the Hammer you find the timing to let your second shot off as the alignment is crossed on the way down. It doesn’t really work if the grip and stance aren’t consistent. The more consistent you are and the better your timing, the greater the range you can place your shots together. Even relative novices can place their shots within four or five inches at three yards if they observe the basics. The magnificently skilled seem to be radar guided. I saw a demonstration by a master in the early eighties. Twelve yards, two and one half to four inches apart, three times, WITH HIS EYES CLOSED. He did it as a demonstration of muscle memory, not to show off.
At the highest skill levels, the two techniques seem to merge. These shooters always seem to control every shot. I believe that the rise of the compensated pistol in competition has led to taking the hammer out of the repertoire for most competition shooters.
The Hammer might not have much use anymore, but it was a great stunt and loads of fun to learn. I burned a lot of powder, made a lot of dirty brass and had a ball learning.
"Smooth is five sixths of speed" - Ray Chapman, teacher and first practical pistol world champion.