Double Tap 200gr .40S&W???

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wilkup

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Double Tap
Deep Penetrating and hard-hitting! This load offer both for woods and hunting applications.
Caliber : .40 S&W
Bullet : 200gr. Wide Flat Nose Gas Checked
Ballistics : 200gr. @ 1050fps / 490 ft/lbs- Glock 23 (4.0"bbl)
Glock 22 4.5" bbl - 1106fps
Glock 27 3.5" bbl - 1009fps
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I'm wondering if anyone's heard anything about this round. Recently I decided that I like the smaller frame Glocks and to retire the large frame woods gun for the littler G23/32.
I'm curious to know who's shot this round, how it performed, and your general feelings on it when you were through.
I may also buy the bullets rather than the ammunition and roll my own and try to make them a bit more spicy.
Anyways, I live in the Northwest and hike anywhere from the Olympics out on the ocean to the Cascades and plan to use it as a woods round. We don't have grizzlies (that I'm aware of) but there are cougars, and occasionally blackies. Will this round work for these scary animals in the wild? Up to this point I've carried a G29, but if I can get this .40S&W to perform...
What do you all think?
 
not what I think; what I know

I've done some 40 S&W work using 200 and 220g LFN bullets, and those velocities are all there is; there is no safe 'more'.

I feel a 200g / .400" / 960--1030fps load is a minimum black bear defense choice.
 
What do you use? Do you make your own or buy Double Tap rounds or something else? I'm guessing the only time I will need to shoot at a bear is if I separated the mama from the cubs and I'm pretty loud on purpose while out hiking just to let them know where I am and give them time to skip out on the area I'm headed for.
You think [know] the 200gr .40S&W will be enough to take care of the blacks if I encounter a hostile one though...?
 
since they wander the yard...

I use a heavy-loaded 44 Redhawk.

There was the renowned black bear guide in Maine who followed the conventional wisdom at the time; a 158g 357 Mag was the cat's meow.
Until five shots didn't work.......and the guide came to this "...minimum .400", 200g, 1000fps..."

I oh-so agree.

I make all my ammo, except 22LR.



pssst, look down
 
I thought led was a no no in a Glock??
Sorry LEAD
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I've been told that you're not supposed to run lead through the stock Glock barrels and so I have a Lone Wolf barrel with a fully-supported chamber to shoot the lead stuff through so that's not going to be an issue for me.

I make all my ammo, except 22LR.
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When you say most of the stuff you have is retired factory stuff... do you mean that it's "full" power before they began downloading the stuff?

"...minimum .400", 200g, 1000fps..."
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Do you also ascribe to this minimum that the guide decided on after his incident? Do you feel the Double Tap load would be adequate for what I'm interested in using it for?
 
I've used that load in my pistol and carbine. Shot a couple 5-6" groups at 100 yards with the carbine using that load. I also killed a fawn a few years back with it during hunting season, delicious. A note about the wounds: broadside through and through at 10 yards, shattering the far shoulder bones on the way out. Never found any fragments of the bullets. The meat was a little bloodshot on the exit, but the hole was around an inch, nothing spectacular. I'll be buying them again.
 
no

I mean I used to manufacture extremely expensive custom handgun ammo, but am now mostly retired (too many weenies, too much carrying lead, which is heavy, too many upper-extremetry surgeries, too much production taking all the joy from making my own ammo for my own guns).

I oh-so-subscribe to that bear guide's maxim.
The DT load, after testing in your gun, meets the criteria. More important then will be, if needed, where the bullets get placed.
 
Might want to be SURE that the bullet that DT is using really is 200gr...

Wasn't that long ago when DT was advertising some of their heavier 10mm ammo at one weight and it turned out that they were using lighter projectiles.

Caveat Emptor...

-J-
 
Double Tap ethical concerns...

Caveat Emptor...
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I feel like Double Tap has a bad reputation for making claims and not being able to back it up. I'm not sure how I feel about this, but do know that I like the idea of having a Flat Nose Gas Checked Hard Cast bullet for the woods and if the round's performance isn't up to the advertisement claims I can always purchase the bullets separately and load my own to insure they operate in the velocity I'm needing to achieve.
 
Buffalo Bore...

I'm looking for a Hard Cast bullet for the woods though and as far as I know Buffalo Bore doesn't offer something like this... I could just purchase this bullet from Double Tap and load them on my own, which wouldn't be an inconvenience since I have all the reloading materials and know how to do it. I'd just have to find a recipe that suits my fancy for this bullet.
 
I've never seen load data for 200gr bullets in .40 S&W? Is there any published data from bullet- or powder-makers?
 
I have read that there are some very potent bear sprays available. I'm not sure if they would work on the cougars, but I would imagine it would. You might want to look into that as well.
 
WESHOOT2:
I still have 200g and 220g bullets
I have published data, but I exceed it.
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You can run the 220gr with a .40S&W? Could you tell me what the energy on these rounds was/is, how fast they're going and what gun you're shooting them out of?

I like the idea of a small frame Glock but a heavy hitting hard cast .40 cal bullet... especially if it's going 1000+ fps

If you wouldn't mind sharing a couple of your recipes, I'd like to try them out myself.

Thanks
 
I could, but then some idiot would try it

I don't calculate or use energy figures, because that number doesn't matter.
To me.

Velocity, bullet diameter and weight and material and contruction; THOSE matter to me. Long heavy bullets don't require huge velocity numbers for successful penetration.

When loading 200g-n-up bullets in 40 S&W, case bulge becomes a HUGE obstacle, and one must also recognize the potential catastrophic danger involved with such a reduced combustion area.
It's like built-in setback, PLUS there's this heavy long-bearing-surface projectile that needs to get booted into moving.


The testing was done in a 9mm Witness frame with a Witness slide and a custom match barrel I fit.

E-mail direct for load data discussion; reference the subject ('cause I still get a 'bit' of correspondence).
 
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