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Ok, the reason i am posting this is two-fold:

1) i am a 100% pessimist, which means i am prepared when the worst happens, and happy when it doesn't
2) i am quite grumpy today, my so and her friends decided to stay out really late last night, and since i dont drink i'm the dd

here we go:

iran attacks isreal either pre-emptively or after isreal pre-emptively strikes, and i hesitate say nuclear here
us reinstates the draft to get an army to attack iran
china and friends respond economically by withdrawing all foreign investment, which crashes us economy
with us economy in shambles, seperatist groups in the us (la raza, black panther, kkk) begin causing some serious trouble domestically
un intercedes by sending troops into us

so there we have it, ww3 and its happening right here on us soil :eek:

i usually try to avoid predicting the future, especially on a public forum (makes one into an a-hole), but see 2) from above

the one response i will not pay any attention to is "it can't / won't happen here", see sig line

ok, what do you think?
 
Let's see now.....
Iran can't attack on the ground, because they'd have to go through some combination of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia. Israel would bomb their supply train before they got far. So would we. Not to mention that their equipment is on a par with the crap Saddam used to have.
Iran can't attack by air, because their air force is a joke and Israel's is the best in the area, by far.
Everyone knows Israel has nukes and enjoys bombing their attackers. If Iran nuked Israel, assuming they could succeed in delivering a nuke, Tehran would be a smoking hole in an hour.

So, how's this going to be a danger to the US?

John
Cape Canaveral
 
Wow, you should move to Hollywood......

Sounds like a great movie...... Well, a movie anyhow.........

You listed a lot of issues....... I will guess you might have 20%-25% but that could be high....?

The UN sending troops to US.........OK, ya, right? Maybe Canada will attack us too.......... I pitty the fools that come to US and think they will impose a world order rule...... They would be destroyed and sent home in short order.......remember the US are all gunners, cowboys, and Rambo's. Thanks for the interesting ideas......... ;)

Did you vote for Kerry too? Sorry..... :D
 
so there we have it, ww3 and its happening right here on us soil
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Maybe you missed the events of 9/11/01, but WWIII is already in progress, and it started in NYC and Washington D.C. Maybe not the best examples of American soil, but American none the less.
 
Hmmm.

I don't think it will be as quick to happen as you suggest. A scenario like that would play out slowly, and the end would not be obvious until the Blue-Helmet Euro-Nazi's knock down your door at 3AM to implant the chips in your head.

As far as war and draft, sometimes we seem very close now. We were just told to be prepared to expect to see some retiree's returning to our unit. The Army has not only started activating IRR personnel, but is now offering cash bonuses to retiree's if they return to active duty. Cannot speak for Navy/Marines/Air Force, but that is the Army's plan. And the latest Army Times featured an article that stated the Army is still about 20,000 people shy of being able to fulfill it's global commitments.
Also, the National Guard is requesting that Congress authorize more money for enlistment bonuses as they fell shy of their recruiting goal for the second year in a row.
Seeing things like that, I don't think that a draft is very far away.

As far as the UN, I think that we will not be subjected to heavily to their influence until the end of Mr. Bush's Presidency. After that, it will depend on who is elected next. I don't think however, that they can be held off forever.
I too fear that eventually, voluntarily or otherwise, the US will knuckle under to the UN. That is the day I take my guns, my wife, and my dog and head for the hills. ( it works for Osama, it'll work for me ;) )

It seems that the domestic groups are already causing trouble, just not the ones you mentioned. World Wildlife Fund, PETA, and E.L.F. are all raising rukus in different ways. While WWF stays on the political front, ELF opts for more violent, dangerous attacks (burned hotels, vandalism, etc.). PETA sits in the middle funding and supporting both, while not getting it's hands dirty in either arena. We seem to have more to fear from The Brady Bunch, the Million Mom March types, and the governments of California and New York than the Black Panthers, the KKK, or La Raza.

The economy is already on an unstable base. Although the overall trend of late is upward, it seems to fluctuate almost daily. Any major wihtdrawal, from any nation, could result in serious damage. Although several fail safes were developed after the 1928 crash, I don't think that they are capable of successfully supporting a market the size of ours as current. Also, the nation has enough defecit that any significant downward economic change could damage our ability to reduce that amount, resulting in a failed attempt at more taxation, followed by looking to other nations to support, as Britain did in the years directly preceeding US involvement in WW1. Enough borrowing will eventually leave us in fianancial ruin and at the mercy of the EU, who will use us as a traffiking nation for their labor/goods/shipping, similar to the Germany-Poland relationship of the 2nd World War.

I think your scenario sounds pretty possible, it just seems that it will likey take place over the course of a decade, not a year or two. With any luck, that will give those of us with common sense enough time to make for the mountains and prepare...
 
japle, you are saying that an iranian type scenario is logistically impossible from an equipment / supply line perspective. i think it is a grevious mistake to underestimate the iranian military, who i see in news articles at least once a week is purchasing technology from russia and china. isn't russia the one supposedly supplying iran with the nuclear stuff? also, if iran is not a threat, how in the world was iraq one? i do agree that retaliation against iran would be swift, but i am not so sure about decisive. also, i thought i heard pres bush mention something about syria in the state address, how would they help prevent iran from attacking isreal? heck, they may even help! the danger to the us has to do with the rest of the worlds view toward us, which right now doesn't seem terrible friendly.

Rojoe67, if the us indeed are "all gunners, cowboys, and Rambo's" then why do we have million mom marches, brady campaing, violence policy center, NFA, GCA 1968, etc, etc ... we gunner types are being slowly eliminated from the picture. that is why IMHO it is imperative that we lose the attitudes and start preparing for ...

38splfan, i definitely agree that any type of scenario like this will be a drawn out affair (possible several years between events), which is why i didn't suggest any timeline :)
 
You're right.

You're right of course. Looking back I seem to have read the timeline into it, for which I apologize. I did not mean to change the context of your post at all. I think that, while not set in stone at all, it is one of many very likely scenarios. All of them include several key components.
-The UN
-The Economy
-Domestic Terrorism

This scenario seems likely due to the fact that all the variables mentioned, (and one or two others) are in such a state of instability.

I am also a believer that "it can't/won't happen" is not a good attitude, as anything is possible. Discussions like this one, whether likely or not, are great food for thought and give a good idea of what could happen if Americans aren't vigilant in the protection of our sovereignty as a nation and our rights as individuals.
 
As we dodged two nuclear holocausts during the cold war, I guess I'm now an optomist.

If you want to be morbid, consider the coming plague that our half-assed disease treatment is breeding. :)
 
un intercedes by sending troops into us
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I think that if Iran and Israel is in a nuclear war, the UN troops would have more to worry about riots in America.

Other than that, I agree. Someone will slip up in the Mid-East to start the next war. maybe Israel, maybe Iran, maybe someone else we are completely overlooking. I think something as simple as a Saudi Teen assasinating an Israeli official could do it (remember WWI?).
 
RH41,
iran attacks isreal either pre-emptively or after isreal pre-emptively strikes, and i hesitate say nuclear here
us reinstates the draft to get an army to attack iran
china and friends respond economically by withdrawing all foreign investment, which crashes us economy
with us economy in shambles, seperatist groups in the us (la raza, black panther, kkk) begin causing some serious trouble domestically
un intercedes by sending troops into us
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I will address these one at a time.

1) Israel and the middle east. Trust me when I say that Israel will NEVER come out second best in any fight there. Have you heard of the 'Jericho Option'. It is basically what will happen if Israel sees any missles launched their way. They will respond, not in kind, but massively. They basically figure that with only six million Jews currently in Israel, they can't win a sustained war. Hence their willingness to go nuke at the drop of the hat. Israel will also NOT attack JUST Iran. Without an immediate back down from Syria, Lebannon, Egypt, etc, they too will begin to 'glow in the dark' about an hour after your conflict starts. While it may be tuff getting oil out of the ground that has been turned to radioactive glass, that is EXACTLY what Israel will do IF pushed too far. Like they did to Iraq about twelve years ago, blowing the snot out of a nuclear reactor belonging to Sadaam.

2) No draft will be instituted. US MILITARY does NOT want the slackers that would bring in. Besides, Iran will NOT be a problem, because of Israel. Ditto Syria and Lebannon, which in my opinion are the next on OUR HIT LIST. Both are much smaller countries to invade and we are ALREADY THERE (in Iraq), so that's a no brainer

3) Go watch a movie called 'Rollover' which deals with the exact scenario you are talking about, BUT replace China with Saudi Arabia. What do you think will happen to THE REST OF THE WORLDS economy if ours goes down the tubes? Can we all say WORLDWIDE DEPRESSION together? I will grant you if you are a peasant living in Zimbabwe or Khazakistan (pick your own third world hell hole), they probably WON'T be effected. The global economy is so closely tied to the US economy, that when Allen Greenspan hiccups, Swiss bankers say "God bless you".

4) A possible scenario, regardless of the reasons why. Consider this. If in 2008, Hillary gets 'annointed' President AND Billyboy gets the UN head job (Kofi Anan WILL step down in disgrace over the oil for food program), it could feasibly happen. Guess which soldiers have already been contracted to 'restore law and order' here in the US if that happens? Why a special cadre of the Hong Kong police. AKA THE RED CHINESE ARMY. The only problem is that UN troops would only last about two weeks, as you would see MASSIVE defections from Spec Op community as well as all sorts of 'regular military' people disappearing into the woods, with all they could carry.
 
wallew, exactly what i was looking for in a response. i was really grumpy when i made the original post, and i was looking for what made the scenario i was envisioning improbable.

interesting point concerning isreal, that probably explains why there has been no action against her to date. pretty hefty leverage they have with the nothing to lose position they would be put in. i suppose that is why saddam only launched a couple of crappy scuds back in '91.

i will have to disagree with you about the draft, since it was those same slackers back in the '40s that stopped germany. i know, we live in a different age today, but i would not underestimate americas youth if duty did indeed call. heck, it might just be the enima this country needs. iran may not be a problem, but i think russia could be. they seem to be sitting on the fence right now, just waiting for something to happen. the middle east is right on their doorstep.

i will definitely look into the flick. the global economy is indeed tied deeply into the us economy, the dollar is the worlds reserve currency. i would suggest that is why so much of our economy is being shipped overseas and the euro is being positioned to replace the dollar as the worlds reserve. would lessen the blow to the rest of the world when we fall on hard times.

finally, to hilliroid and drop-your-pants clinton: a frightening thought indeed. i agree fully that many, if put in that position, would have no difficulty deciding their loyalties.

i guess one point i am trying to make is that some folks, both domestic and foreign, would love to get their hands on a slice of the american pie. obviously some type of military incursion on american soil would be foolhardy at best, which is why i see some type of financial crisis to soften us up first.

lets keep this going, what are some alternative scenarios?
 
As we dodged two nuclear holocausts during the cold war, I guess I'm now an optomist
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Which 2?
(I'm curious which 2 out of the many that happened?)


Anyhow -
Threads like this always get me because they asssume an attack/WIII will have the US being the poor unfortunate target.
What if it's the other way around? What if we're the bad guy? What if we throw a nuke first? I'll add that of all the nuclear powers, the United States has been so far the only ones to actually use that "big stick". The morailty of it and the logic behind it saving hundreds of thousands of GI's can be debated until the cows come home. That doesnt change the fact that of all 7 of the nuclear family, only 1 has used that power. In 1968, H.H.H. was emphatic about his intentions to use limited nuclear weaons against North VietNam. Many people (myself incuded) believe this is what cost him the election. That kind of shows that with the right person with their finger on the trigger, it may happen again. under the right circumstances.
(put a coward and a quitter like Gore behind that trigger, and the aftermath of 9/11 may very well have been nuclear fallout)

Another thing to consider is that an armed US citizen really is the last line of defense against a tyranical government. If and when the anti gun crowd succeeds in disarming us, there's little to nothing that would prevent our own government from degenerating into a tryranical nightmare, the likes of which the world has never seen.
 
excellent, excellent point hal. i guess the reason that these types of scenarios play out against the us is because we are the us, and would never want to be the badguy. a reason for the un to intercede, to save the world from the out of control USA. yikes

Another thing to consider is that an armed US citizen really is the last line of defense against a tyranical government. If and when the anti gun crowd succeeds in disarming us, there's little to nothing that would prevent our own government from degenerating into a tryranical nightmare, the likes of which the world has never seen.
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Amen, brother, and can i get an hallelujah.

ps if the antis do succeed, then they have bitten off the hand that feeds them.
 
what about a natural disaster? saw on tv last night that they discovered a super volcano underneath yellowstone park. if it erupts they project a slight ice age coming into effect. they also thought that it could wipe out half the us population.
 
special interest groups........Million march? Whom counted them? Peta, KKK and so on............ sure they are here and there.......... To me I think of them as problem insects........ They come and go.......out breaks happen and you have to treat them rapid and defuse the infesting......... Hate will always be part of the human species......... When all falls apart I will pack up all my redneck supplies and head for the woods....... I guess I just consider myself and my kind as survivalist........I'm not beat until I'm dead............ :D
 
http://www.reuters.com/printerFriendlyPopup.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=7557363

Source: Russia, Iran May Sign Nuke Deal This Month
Mon Feb 7, 2005 10:08 AM ET

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia is preparing to sign a deal with Iran this month to start atomic fuel shipments for a Moscow-built nuclear reactor there, a Russian nuclear source said on Monday.

The move is certain to enrage the United States which says Iran can use Russian fuel to secretly make a nuclear bomb. Washington has long called on Russia to drop the plans.

The source in Russia's Atomic Energy Agency said Moscow and Tehran had largely settled all remaining technicalities and were preparing to sign the accord when Alexander Rumyantsev, the agency's head, travels to Iran at the end of February.

"This time the deal will be signed. Of course you can't be 100 percent certain about anything but the probability of that is very high," said the source, who is close to the Iran talks.

The comments confirmed earlier hints by Moscow-based diplomats that Russia and Tehran had overcome disagreement over the deal's terms and were moving closer to signing it after years of talks.

The source said the first containers with fuel would be supplied about two months after signing.

The 1,000-megawatt, $1 billion plant will be then launched in late 2005 and reach full capacity in 2006.

Spent fuel will be sent back to Siberian storage units after about a decade of use -- a condition Russia thinks will remove U.S. concerns that Iran would use the material to make weapons.

TVEL, Russia's state nuclear fuel producer, has for years kept the fuel for Iran's Bushehr plant at a storage facility in Siberia, awaiting Rumyantsev's order to begin shipments.

Oil-rich Iran denies it is developing atomic arms and says its nuclear programs are for peaceful power generation needed to meet the energy demands of its growing population.

On Sunday, Iran's chief nuclear negotiator Hassan Rohani said there was nothing the West could offer Tehran that would persuade it to scrap a nuclear program.
 
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