DON'T FLY UNITED AIRLINES WITH GUNS!

Oatka

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This from an email excerpt on the Free Republic board. If you have the time, go there and read some interesting how-tos to get around this problem.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38fcd04f0705.htm#1

DON'T FLY UNITED AIRLINES WITH GUNS!

A warning to everyone who flies with guns: United Airlines puts a row of seven "Fs" under your name to indicate you have firearms in your case. YES, it is illegal, but they do it.

I just flew from Washington, Dulles International (IAD) to Las Vegas, McCarran International Airport (LAS), and back.

I declared my unloaded guns, as required, filled out the red tag, and put it in my luggage as required. My flying companion had checked in before me, and they taped the red tag to his luggage tag. The girl who checked him in, heard me say it was illegal to do, so they retrieved his bag and moved the red tag inside.

Upon my arrival in Las Vegas, I noticed my luggage had been opened (my nylon wire tag was gone). My guns were inside a locked metal box inside the luggage, so I opened the luggage. My guns had been moved from their location at the bottom rear of my luggage, to the top front. Obviously someone got scared, or put off by the locked metal box. It is easy to stuff a gun into your pants, but a large box is another matter. I got lucky, my guns were not stolen.

My return flight was without event.

Last night I was having dinner with a friends, one asked me what airline I took out to Front Sight. I told him United. He works for the government, in a three letter agency, and he told me the only time they have guns stolen was when they fly United, and it was because United puts a row of "Fs" under your name on the luggage tag. He jokes with me all the time, and we have a running joke about TWA (The Worst Airline) which I won't fly, and he loves. I thought he was pulling my chain.

I had not yet thrown out my luggage tags, so I had a look, and sure enough, my ammo bag, and my bag with guns had seven "Fs," and the other bad did not.

I immediately called the airline, and they did not know. They put me in touch with a baggage manager in Illinois, and he did not know. They would not let me talk to a check in person.

Today, I drove to Dulles, baggage tags in hand, and asked to speak with the Station Manager. I spoke with Carol Tumas, Service Director. I asked her what "this" meant, while pointing to the "FFFFFFF" under my name. She said, "First Cla----, er, Firearm."

Before it was over, she had a baggage supervisor and a UNITED security person there and they said they "were required to push the button," on the terminal that printed that on the tag. They have similar keys for heavy bags, and live animals.

Currently, Ms. Tumas will be contacting their legal department on Monday, and will be getting back to me. In the mean time, I would not fly United, my favorite airline, with firearms until they remove the "STEAL ME NOW" letters from the bags.
 
I just flew Delta to Florida and what i do is put an extra 1000 dollars insurance on each gun I travel with. I know bags are insured foe $2500 per person but Delta is supposed to have the bags hand carried when extra insurance is placed on them. When I checked in they did hold the bag for a person to pick it up. They also place a sticker on the outside letting the handlers know the bag should not be put on the conveyor belt with the regular baggage but should be brought to the office. Most of the time they just put the bag on the conveyor belt but sometimes they bring it to the baggage claim office. I do not fly with a "good" or expensive gun. I take my "airline" gun - a Glock 23 or Ruger GP100 3 1/2" barrel or both.
 
I fly Northwest 99% of the time. Have not had any problems. Thanks for the heads up on United.

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John
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Northwest is a major sponsor of the Million Mom March. I have found Southwest always gun friendly, and other airlines it depended on the area of the country. I got a real bozo flying American Airlines in Burbank, Ca. Bill Laughridge flies United all the time because it is the only major carrier from his area and had not had any major problems. This may just be at Dulles.
 
has anyone flown continental? i called them and they said i didn't have to even say anything about having firearms in my luggage. just make sure they're unloaded and treat it like a normal piece of luggage. nothing about having them locked in a case or anything. seems a little too relaxed, but that's what they told me.
 
Just got word that United's stance is marking the tag is done to comply with the Brady Law. (Uh, United, ya might just want to go read that part again...) Also, they do it because ramp personnel have "safety concerns" if they do not know which bags contain firearms. (Uh, United, guns are unloaded inanimate objects personally inspected by your own personnel - they won't bite.)

The BATF has been called into the matter.
 
scyman: I have flown Continental. Same policy as Northwest, declare, sign the tag, put it in bag or case, and check it.

Jeff OTMG: Sorry to hear that Northwest is a sponsor of the MMM. As 100% of my air travel is paid for by my employer, they pay me to go there, and they selected Northwest, will continue to fly with them. I will send their President a note showing my dissatisfaction with them with respect to this issue.

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John
(formerly johnboy)
 
I just got back from IMCS #4 and traveled with Several guns in a locked gun case.


I flew United and they did everything right (tag in case, no markings on outside).

However, I checked my wife in on TWA and they did everything wrong..... They didn' wna to check the chambers, but I insisted, opening them on top of the counter as brazenly as I could manage with risking a Brandishing charge.
Then she refused to put a red tag inside the case. She said it was now TWA's policy to not place any identifying tags on or in checked firearm's cases. I asked for her supervisor and got the same story. So I wrote down both their names and left it at that.
Then she asked if there was any ammo being checked, I said yes, but well under the legal limit and in a seperate bag. She said she had to fill out a "dangerous goods" form and asked me exactly how much ammo, in pounds would be checked. I had never been asked this question before and I fly with firearms quite regularly. She said that the FAA required the form be filled out and a copy given to the pilot whenever anyone brings ANY ammo on the plane. I told her less than half a pound and she filled out the form.

We fly out of Ft. Lauderdale, BTW...

I had no problems with Delta out of Dulles last week, either.
 
Rob,

From what I have read under HMR 175 small-arms ammunition for personal use carried by a passenger in his/her baggage (excluding carry-on baggage) if securely packed in fiber, wood, or metal boxes, or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition is exempt from being "dangerous goods." Therefore the pilot does NOT have to be informed. So either they fed you a line of B.S. or they don't understand that company policy is separate from federal law. In either case you should complain to the company about how you were treated. Those check in people sounded pretty incompetent (don't check the firearms, but fill out a "dangerous goods" slip for exempt amounts of ammo...idiots).
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeff OTMG:
Northwest is a major sponsor of the Million Mom March. I have found Southwest always gun friendly, and other airlines it depended on the area of the country. I got a real bozo flying American Airlines in Burbank, Ca. Bill Laughridge flies United all the time because it is the only major carrier from his area and had not had any major problems. This may just be at Dulles. [/quote]

No problems flying with America West from Phoenix to Boise with a gun. I was under the impression that every bag is x-rayed, but maybe that's incorrect.
 
Heck... when I walk up to the counter at American here in Austin, I normally get.."You checking one in your luggage today, Bubba?"
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American has never given me any trouble. I fill out the white form, lock it in the hard case with the gun, place the hard case inside my luggage and then padlock the luggage. Some agents know a lot more than others. Some want me to show them the open slide and mag removed. Others just look for the lock on the hard case. And one or two have stated, "Man that is a sweet Kimber."
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Bubba
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It is long been a principal of ours that one is no more armed because he has possession of a firearm than he is a musician because he owns a piano. There is no point in having a gun if you are not capable of using it skillfully. - Jeff Cooper
 
The head of my gun group in California was flying to a seminar he was teaching and had 14 pistols with him when he entered LAX. He went to the counter and opened each case and showed that they were unloaded and they took each case and placed an orange tag that said "firearm" on each one. They were supposed to hold the firearms for the pilot to take into the cockpit during the flight.

When he gets to his first destination, he goes up to get his guns and they tell him to wait. After a long wait, a guy comes out and tells him thet they have no knowledge of the whereabouts of the guns. He, and they, call the LAPD and LAX airport security.

He borrowed a bunch of guns to give his seminar and that went okay. Off to next destination. When he arrives, he gets a call from the LAPD and they tell him that his firearms have been recovered. It seems that the baggage person stuck them on the conveyor to the baggage terminal. It must have been like Christmas for the baggage handler when 14 cases clearly marked "firearm" came down the chute and into his lap -- so he stole them.

This did not go unnoticed though as one of the other baggage handlers saw him stick the cases under the conveyor and he went over and stole the other guy's stolen booty. The first guy got pissed off and turned in the second guy who promptly snitched off his counterpart and several others. The firearms were recovered from the baggage compartment of a Lufthansa 747 destined for Germany.

The LAPD says they aren't going to need the firearms for evidence and they are so happy that they were able to break up a major theft ring at the airport that they will send them on to him. My friend tells the LAPD to box up his guns and send them via the offending airline; and the airline was instructed to deliver the package to him at his hotel room at his next destination. They were not to hold them or require him to come get them, they were to deliver them. By the way, his next destination as a director of the NRA was ... Washington, DC.

The knock comes on the door and here stands the airline's lackey with a heavy box. He makes my friend sign for the package and leaves him sitting there in Washington, DC with 14 handguns. Summary execution anyone?

He inspected all of the firearms and the only thing out of the ordinary was that all of the grips had been removed. He presumed that this was to look for drugs. A call to a friend in VA to "come get these things and take them over the border" took care of the problem of location.

End of story.

Don't know the name of the airline but I could find out.

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Gun Control: The proposition that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own panty hose, is more acceptable than allowing that same woman to defend herself with a firearm.
 
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